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[–] [email protected] 139 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Why this list was ever sealed to begin with is beyond me.

[–] [email protected] 97 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Because powerful people were his associates. I'm surprised it is being unsealed.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not surprised it was ordered to be unsealed. I'll be more than a little surprised if an accurate list is actually unsealed. But, anything's possible I guess.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

“Those on the list were allowed to redact whatever parts they liked”

[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Deborah Jeane Palfrey has entered the chat. ~~I swear I remember seeing news stories at the time saying that she'd specifically told family members: I'm not planning to kill myself, but I am threatening to release the identities of powerful men who made use of my services. If I die it's because they killed me.~~

But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well.

Edit: Someone argued with me enough about it that I actually tried to read up on it, and I think what I was remembering was that Alex Jones said that if she died it's because they killed her, and some people reported on that, along with some carefully cherry-picked quotes from her interview on his show. She did say that she wasn't planning to kill herself, but only because he directly asked her as part of his normal Alex Jones shtick, and of course she said "no." But she never said that on any other program, as far as I can tell, and everyone reliable who investigated concluded that the suicide was probably real. So the mystery is resolved. Sounds like she killed herself. 😢 At least I learned something today.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

She actually said the exact opposite. From your link:

Palfrey's two handwritten notes were released to the public. In one of them, she wrote to her sister, "You must comprehend there was no way out, I.E. 'exit strategy,' for me other than the one I have chosen here." In another, she described her predicament as a "modern-day lynching". She said she feared that, at the end of serving her sentence, she would be "in my late 50s a broken, penniless and very much alone woman".[28][30]

Emphasis mine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I read the sources I linked to. Here's what I said about it:

But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well.

What did you think I was talking about, what I said that? If not that the stories I can find now all say it was a legit suicide?

Maybe my memory is faulty, or maybe the suicide note is fake. Which it is, I have no idea.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (20 children)

Seems very unlikely that two handwritten suicide notes could be plausibly faked that well when there are many examples of her handwriting

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Entire thing is redacted except a single word that says something lawyer-y like "notwithstanding".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

And any names already public

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well they needed to clean it first before they unsealed it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Gotta blur some names so they won't be prosecuted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I bet there is some catch. The only thing unsealed will be boring stuff. Oh it turns out a company Bill Clinton owned stock in, back in 1991, did some construction work for a property Epstein owned. It isn't going to be stuff like "here is a video of Justice Thomas raping a kid".

[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Most of the names will be innocent people and victims. All of them will be sent death threats and harassed because people will consider them pedophiles. People can't understand two things at once (Epstein was a socialite and a child trafficker) and they don't know what being an associate of Epstein implies. There's good reasons to keep the list private from the masses.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's funny that those people will be threatened, but people we know have been involved in bribery at the highest levels of our government are not.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

It must be funny, otherwise where'd all these tears on my cheeks come from!? 😂

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not sure how true this is given:

Anyone who did not successfully fight to keep their name out of the civil case could see their name become public -- including Epstein's victims, co-conspirators and innocent associates.

I imagine anyone who was innocent and an associate had the money to hire the right lawyers to remove themselves.

I also imagine those who should be on it, also won't be.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

And everyone is mystified how groups like the Roman Catholic Church were able to suppress stories of child raise and trafficking for quite literally over a thousand years. Seriously a document was found from before the first crusades talking about it.

The crime doesn't go to criminal trial because the family is bribed and threatened. Then it is in civil matter and the records get sealed. Priest goes and rapes another kid. Rinse lather repeat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I imagine anyone who was innocent and an associate had the money to hire the right lawyers to remove themselves.

Epstein was incredibly well connected, so this statement is dubious at best.

I also imagine those who should be on it, also won’t be.

This is correct. 0% of people "associated" with Epstein have any evidence against them of his crimes, or they'd have been charged as co-conspirators.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

6th amendment of the US Constitution cuts both ways. People have the right to observe what the government is doing in criminal cases. If the US government is refusing to let the public know what is going on during these procedures the possibility of corruption goes from low to almost certain.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

The judge stated some names will be redacted as they were victims. I also doubt someone would interact with Epstein several times and not know. He wasn't even trying to hide it.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To protect the privacy of the rich?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Probably more because it'll tip the ones who actually have cases open on them off.

That's like 90% of what's in still classified docs from controversial moments in domestic investigations, information which could show the hand to people currently under investigation, and also techniques the FBI uses in evidence gathering which aren't known to the wider public and who's exposure could lead to suspects catching wise and closing the avenue.

If you've ever seen one of those get smart posts about how to avoid being identified at a demonstration, Domestic Intelligence is openly trying to avoid more shit being added to those lists of ways to avoid detection. Yes it's absolutely adversarial to the privacy of the public but it's a lot less conspiratorial than a blood libel agenda to cover up the child trafficking of the rich.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So, you mean like Ice T. breaking it down ELI5 for the viewers every week?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You mean like when someone smokes crack cocaine?

Or when they bet too much on the ponies?

Or...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Oh, Johnny. I hope you get better, and soon. Don't start hanging out with that ratfuck Chappelle, either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Epstein died in 2019. If there's any open cases it's because they're not making any effort to close them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's not how major investigations of entire criminal networks work and if you weren't trying to make blood libel cool because class consciousness or whatever you'd know better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Their initial investigation into him lasted 13 months.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Probably because being on a list of names is not proof of any wrongdoing or crime but will most definitely be interpreted as such by people on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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