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I think actually talking about things is more interesting than "dunking" on dissenters on the internet.
Ok so I read through most/all of each article, and there are a few issues I'm finding.
Other than Hunter's admitted crimes, where is the evidence of corruption? Did Hunter get jobs because his daddy was vice president? Probably didn't hurt -- but that's not illegal. The washington times article harps on the crimes everyone knows he committed and tries to pin that on Joe somehow. They can't seem to explain the illegality of daddy Biden's actions, other than talking about China, Kazakhstan and other scary sounding countries. But like, those countries obviously have investors, right?... I don't know.
Comer has no actual new evidence, right? He's being a partisan blowhard judging by his dramatic statements. I can't take his word that Biden has lied repeatedly, because he's already talked at length about Hunter's issues. The "bombshell" "monthly" payments they are flouting and making sound sinister have been redacted purposely and obfuscated to mislead:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/04/politics/oversight-committee-hunter-biden-car-payments/index.html
I think Biden's family enjoys influence and wealth as a result of Joe's political career. However, the president has not interfered with any investigations, there is no evidence linking him to a crime, and finally they (the Bidens) have said that Hunter should answer for his crimes. What more could anyone want?
Republicans, who have done nothing but lie and placate the despot that is Trump, want to impeach Biden and make a mockery of the process so that no one takes it seriously -- to lessen the blow to Trump. To score easy, divisive, empty political points for their team.
If Biden is corrupt, I genuinely hope it comes to light. Until the evidence says so, though, this feels like a dishonest partisan exercise.
I’m not read up on specifics of what is and isn’t appropriate for a politician (especially president) in business dealings with foreign entities, there might be a technical issue there. Here’s some stuff written about “the other side” that could apply: https://lifehacker.com/is-it-illegal-for-a-president-to-make-money-from-outsid-1837982914 And https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/does-the-constitution-put-limits-on-a-presidents-private-business-ties
Regardless, there does seem to be a problem with honesty in how Joe has handled this (denying his profit from Hunter’s dealings), which leads to questions of what else has possibly been fabricated or covered up. Which is one reason why there continues to be an investigation. As far as it being partisan, sure, everything is these days. So is the Trump investigation- I’ve seen rhetoric that mirrors what you said but flipped for him. Doesn’t mean these investigations should be brushed off though, especially since there are breadcrumbs. I hope justice treats everybody equally- and quickly, though I know that’s uncharacteristic for the system.
It's a good idea to treat both of these situations with the same level of scrutiny and skepticism-- good point.
(from the article you posted)
From what I've read from Comer's report, it sounds like Hunter paid Joe three installments of a little over $1,000. It was also in repayment of a loan, so not really profit, per se. This seems to be mudslinging and pandering and instilling FUD around Biden leading up to the elections.
This is all not to mention that Hunter doesn't have a job in politics, which was another huge problem with Trump's cabal.
I think the nepotism and dealings with fraudsters and autocrats are deeply concerning, but Biden has yet to be implicated. His son rightfully admitting to and paying for his crimes, repaying his debts doesn't strike me as the most pressing issue at the moment. Are we really worried that the millionaire president is being bribed in 4 figure sums by foreign agents?
Well, I can’t say for sure. You probably know most of what I know about the issue now and the rest I’ve gotten is hearsay. I’m not interested enough to dive into the research much further, which is why I encourage(d) folks to do their own homework. Either way, I hope this issue is under enough scrutiny that there will be a clarified true story at the end of it and justice done. I’m thinking it’ll drag out though, which is the frustrating part of the legal system. Not a good era for American politics when the two leading presidential candidates will probably both still be under investigation come next election. I’m all for a bipartisan swamp drain but idk if one could read that in the cards at this point in time. America’s citizens need to keep demanding accountability of their leadership, and the results of all these ongoing investigations are very important to that for everybody.