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Politically-engaged Redditors tend to be more toxic -- even in non-political subreddits
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They are wrong. People putting their own values ("I'm not a thief!") into an objective statement are the people who are incorrect. You can justify piracy, but it is literally always a form of stealing. People here are very pro-piracy and, cool, so am I, but it's stealing.
Point conceded on the YouTube thing tho, it's inexcusable to be loose with my language in a post I'm using as an example.
To my great dismay. I'd have avoided a lot of issues if I were more logical lol
Copying is not theft. When you steal, you leave one less left.
Yes I've gone around this little carousel many times with people trying to justify it for themselves. You don't need to justify anything to me. I'm not your dad.
Like not paying for a haircut if the stylist didn't have any customer at that time anyway. It's a victimless crime!
(Btw I have a large Plex server. So yeah, I'm a hypocrite.)
That took labor. Copying bits doesn't take labor. We don't have people working in a bit mine.
I don't totally disagree, but I don't agree either. Saying there isn't a semantic argument to be had is terribly ignorant. If you own a car and I take it, sure that's theft. If you own a car and I take a picture of it, that isn't theft. I created something new that didn't effect the thing you own.
In the same way, creating a copy of bits of data does not effect the original item someone owns. It does not remove anything from them. If you're not taking anything from them, how can it be theft? Theft requires something to be taken.
I have near-zero interest in this conversation, but one can absolutely steal a service. You're taking from them because to consume the product you were expected to pay, and their entire infrastructure revolves around that.
How you feel about it is your business, but it is very cut and dry.
Sure, but it's a product not a service.
It's not as cut and dry as you seem to think. If it is cut and dry, I'd say it's to the opposite of your opinion, but I don't think it is.