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Scientists Have Reported a Breakthrough In Understanding Whale Language (www.vice.com)
submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Scientists Have Reported a Breakthrough In Understanding Whale Language::Researchers have identified new elements of whale vocalizations that they propose are analogous to human speech, including vowels and pitch.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

If complete mutually intelligible communication of complex ideas with another species is undeniably proven, that will be a massive boon for veganism(although of course not all animals are equal), and a legal quagmire. What do you do if they are suffering in ways that we can fix due to their environment? Like humans were, and then we changed our environment. Do you give whales weapons so they can defend themselves from orcas? Do you shoot whale pochers? Do you shoot orcas attacking whales? Do you farm krill for them to eat? Do you drastically alter the ocean surface to be more comfortable for whales?

After all, most people recognize it as good to alter a person's natural state(hunting and gathering from caves) for the better, so would that not be the same for animals that are considered essentially people or near-people?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago

We don't even treat other humans on earth with dignity and respect and you think anything will change for whales as drastically as you propose? Maybe I'm mega jaded but I see this having little impact.

[–] Dazawassa 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Last time I checked you don't eat abstract linguistic concepts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Abstract linguistic concepts ensure you can eat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What is this idea about not eating non-humans I communicate with. I speak with my plants too and they entertain complex thought. Do I have to stop eating them? There is nothing out there that isn't a person. Continue eating as you see fit and be kind to the living.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Speaking to something doesn't mean it understands and reacts to it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Speaking is an act of changing reality, always. If you want to go as far as calling this 'speaking to' is up to you.