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This is an OS which has everything. It's clean, it's simple, it has a helpful community, stable code, and even pretty good package counts to support nearly any desktop/workstation activity.

And yet, I feel like there are nagging issues which ultimately affect all non-mainstream^1^ OSes. Display driver complications, janky system upgrades, a lack of groupware clients. I'm not picking on OpenBSD, I love the distro and I think it should succeed in this particular area (the desktop/workstation) where other open source alternatives have failed, but why hasn't anybody managed to make it happen yet?

For a while, there was a similar hope around DragonflyBSD in the FreeBSD community, but I don't know where that ended up... I do know I see nobody really using it.

What's it going to take?

^1^Obviously, I mean MacOS and Windows, since Linux is at least as hampered on the desktop, perhaps moreso on account of the poor community and scattered vision.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The ship has sailed for anything other than Windows or Mac as a mainstream, popular desktop. And it's sailing away from Windows and Mac too, towards phones and tablets. Mobile devices are "computers" for a profitably large number of people, and I don't see that changing.

That said, for this (literally) graybeard old UNIX admin, OpenBSD makes a great desktop. I like that it feels very much like my old SunOS, Solaris, and historic Linux machines, and I like administering my systems by editing simple text files instead of dealing with systemd/dbus/etc.* That said, I do still have an iPhone, and use it for the things it's better at.

* systemd is fine, dbus is fine, they do what people want them to do. This isn't a rant about those things. I've learned to deal with them in my professional life. For my own stuff, though, I want something that I consider simpler and easier to understand. I do enough fighting systems at work; I don't need it at home, too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A long time ago I really enjoyed the pf firewall in openbsd - it was so much easier than iptables and chains, which I somehow still don't fully understand. How is the obsd experience to do NAT and manage a firewall ruleset these days?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I've been digging through the most specific edge cases of pf recently, and while I don't know how it was 10 years ago, I'd say that nowadays it's fantastic.

The syntax is simple, clean, and very powerful. And with anchors you can easily add/remove rules on the fly with a single command.