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Hey, since you asked to share wins we've had in this regard:
Not a woman, but something that has occasionally worked for me is sharing this one article. It's called The magical thinking of guys who love logic.
It sometimes works with those guys that believe that men are inherently more logical than women like the one you mentioned. Though in my experience this article is most effective with atheist men and not so much with religious men, since it has a bit of a focus on criticizing a type of militant online atheism (a superficial type of atheism I might add and one that paradoxically reproduces a sort of puritan mindset masked under progressivism, much like TERFism, sex-negative "progressives" and some other current mindsets). It also works best if the guys on question are already a bit open to criticism (or at least like to pretend they are open-minded) since the article starts with a tone of criticizing right-wing ideologies.
The most emotional people I know have been logic-worshiping men.
Almost like denying your emotion keeps you from checking it.
Anger is clearly not an emotion /s
I've bookmarked it to check it out later, sounds interesting af. Thank you!
Ooof. As a former new atheist who still believes in logic, reason, and rationality, this article is the truth. If there's anything I learned from my time with the New Atheists, it's that I need other people to help me realize when I'm wrong.
My moment of clarity came when Sam Harris, who I really looked up to, started advocating for torture of Muslims because Islam was inherently bad. That really rubbed me the wrong way, even after 9/11.
Yep. I still value reason and particularly science as one of the important guiding principles in my life, though it can't be the only one. Empathy, for example, is incredibly important, as is being open to one's own emotions.
I was lucky to not fall into that movement as a teen though, mostly because I was outside of the US cultural sphere of influence back then I assume.