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Biden announces proposal to replace all lead water service lines in US within 10 years (abcnews.go.com)

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The Biden administration has announced a proposal to “strengthen its Lead and Copper Rule that would require water systems to replace lead service lines within 10 years,” the White House said in a statement on Thursday.

According to the White House, more than 9.2 million American households connect to water through lead pipes and lead service lines and, due to “decades of inequitable infrastructure development and underinvestment,” many Americans are at risk of lead exposure.

“There is no safe level of exposure to lead, particularly for children, and eliminating lead exposure from the air, water, and homes is a crucial component of the Biden-Harris Administration’s historic commitment to advancing environmental justice,” the Biden administration said.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I actually just listened to a podcast about NYCs water supply. To back up your claim, they started pipe #3 around the 1970s and only recently finished (or should have by 2021, the episode was from before then)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Portland replaced most of its water and sewer pipes, AND built a massive 21 ft diameter sewer bypass and storage line 250 ft below the city over the course of about 10 years. When I was living there, the city went up and down every building on every street in my neighborhood to put in new sewer and water connections. Those crews were fast.

NYC is just too big, old and bureaucratic compared to other US cities.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Those crews were fast.

Doing whole cities and streets in one go is always the better option: The crews know what they're doing, all the material and materiel is already on site and scheduling is uncomplicated.

Norderstedt's utility hooked up the whole city to fibre 1999 to 2002, total investment 43 million Euro for just over 80k inhabitants, roughly 540 Euro per head... but that number is a bit misleading the utility only made a loss of 10 million over that time span, or 125 Euro per inhabitant. A couple of years later all the money was recouped and they started expanding to neighbouring villages and the north of Hamburg. Asymmetric gigabit for 50 bucks (upload actually costs ISPs money while download gets paid by whoever's upload that is which is why asymmetric makes sense even if the connection is symmetric).

Kinda hard to do nowadays as the second Deutsche Telekom gets wind of any such initiative they suddenly decide that laying down fibre to replace their copper would, after all, make economical sense. Which is the reason why elsewhere here I'm advocating for municipal monopolies: Municipalities should be able to say "ok you didn't want to invest here, now it's too late you don't get to compete".

(And just in case btw you thought T-Mobile was a grand and nice company: No it isn't. It's a Deutsche Telekom subsidiary. The only reason they are customer-friendly in the US is because they're up against the baby bells there, in Germany Deutsche Telekom is the bell, created by splitting up and privatising the postal service, they own pretty much all the copper everywhere in the country).