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I've been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Political views aside, the way they promote their political views is unappealing.

Look through any of their popular threads. Everyone piles on any comment which doesn't align perfectly with the agreed perspective.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Everyone piles on any comment which doesn't align perfectly with the agreed perspective.

Sounds like every popular community on Lemmy. The only difference is the "agreed perspective".

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not really.

In most communities you can at least entice some robust discussion, hexbear just seems sp aggressively intolerant of alternative views.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

alternative views like 'being racist' and 'advocating for genocide'

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

Look, how can we be tolerant if we don't tolerate intolerance

-Genocide Joe probably

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What are these alternate views? Not supporting Palestine? Claiming there was Uyghur genocide? Ukraine good Russia bad? USA good China bad? voooooote to solve your problems? Any country that NATO hates is a genocidal totalitarian dictatorship? White man great everyone else is subhuman horde?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Love how at the very idea of somebody disagreeing with you, you start throwing up all sorts of topics you know are hot buttons just so you can preemptively slam anyone who has a different perspective than you. Rather than taking a second to teach a single thing about the topics you claim to care about you just flash them like political merit badges to prove you're in the in-group, and anybody who doesn't know exactly what one of those things are, or what you think is the truth about it, is worth dismissing out of hand. It's just a secret handshake that if people don't parrot it back to you they're not worth debating. You were never here for healthy debate though. You don't care about convincing anyone or advancing your causes or ideas. You're here for the badges.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

>sh.itsfulla.nazis poster

>demanding to be debated seriously with no attempt on their part to do any kind of proper, scientifically-sound investigation

>mfw

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@[email protected] your assessment of @TheAnоnymоuseJо[email protected] is spot-on, highlighting behaviors indicative of a fragile ego and a need for superiority. This individual frequently deflects from central topics, especially when their views are challenged, revealing an inability to handle opposing viewpoints. It’s normal to have differences in opinion, but for TheAnоnymоuseJоker this seems to be an act of war, a mindset that is immature and counterproductive for meaningful online interactions.

Psychologically, it's a common fallacy for some individuals to oversimplify complex social interactions, reducing them to mere players in the game of their subjective perception. This viewpoint often ignores the nuanced realities of human behavior and interaction.

Recognizing these behaviors — deflecting, causing dismay, dismissing, denying, deceiving — is essential in understanding the underlying motivations and responding appropriately to maintain the integrity of the discussion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Best not to analyse me psychologically.

You are engaging in a deflective, ignorant and intellectually compromised behaviour when you talk about me without knowing the context of the discussion. You have reactionary, immature behaviour and gaslighting personality traits, a sign of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

Recognising the pseudointellectual hipsters of society is very important in order to shutdown their contextless liberal rants and libel.

The context of the discussion is socialist left geopolitics, and it is funny your account is exclusively made 8 hours ago to smear me, having just 5 comments, all targeted towards me. You are sent by GrapheneOS/Daniel Micay to do this, to manufacture unsubstantiated drivel about me, even though the discussion is regarding geopolitics, when that clown called me a "Chinese government paid agent" and "CCP agent" on Reddit and Twitter.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago

Analyzing me psychologically? That's an interesting deflection, TheAnonymouseJoker. You claim I'm engaging in deflective and ignorant behavior, yet here you are, quickly labeling and dismissing my points without addressing their substance. It's quite telling that instead of engaging with the critique, you resort to calling out my account's age and my supposed affiliations. This tactic of yours, focusing on personal attacks rather than the discussion at hand, really highlights the earlier point about your tendency to dismiss and belittle differing opinions. It seems like any perspective that doesn't align with yours is automatically considered 'contextless liberal rants and libel.' Isn't that, in itself, a form of intellectual compromise? Let's stick to the actual content of the discussion, shall we?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Here is an advice. CRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ME A RIVERRRRRR T_T

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

See, this is why people have problems with ML and hexbears. How will you ever bring the revolution when you can't stop screeching? Nobody wants that. Nobody wants to be around it. You'll be a revolution of one because nobody can take being around such an abrasive asshole long enough to even listen to their points, much less realize they might be right.

Imagine somebody walking down the street. They see a poster on the wall of the store they pass. It's a Starbucks. "Looks tasty, I'm cold" they say. Suddenly, you're there, shrieking about labor rights and fair trade. You are without a doubt correct, but you've scared the person and now they're annoyed. One of those drones inside with the green hats comes out and sees the situation. They ask the customer to come inside where they're safe from you, and now they're buying overpriced drinks from exploited workers produced by exploited farmers etc.

All because instead of talking to someone like a human, you had to be edgy and witty. You treat real humans the way tv characters talk to each other. On TV the wittiest oneo-liner wins. In real life you have to show a little human compassion, even if you're faking it or else you alienate who you're talking to and are left in an echo chamber, alone, or in the case of our imagined scenario the employees may call security or police (agents of oppression, and they'll probably buy coffee too) on a person harassing potential customers.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

"some leftists were mean to me on a meaningless forum so i voted to uphold the fascist amerikan status quo" you are a fucking child lmao

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Nobody wants to listen to fucking individualist capitalist dronies who cannot summon a critical thought of their own, or have any awareness or empathy for society, or prosperous desires for all.

Go watch some fantasy TV show or movie, maybe Marvel will give you hope of Amerikkka making the world a great place, as they continue to feed you with McDonalds burgers, Coke, fries and free Netflix and Amazon Prime vouchers. Keep lovin' and livin' the good ol' bread and circus in ignorance.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The only way leftist will win any political ground is by winning allies

Screaming down every person who you have a disagreement with politically will only solidify their dislike for the people you claim to represent

It's funny to me seeing you claim that the other people lack awareness and empathy when you seemingly fail to grasp that people don't enjoy the way you are portraying your political views

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Anglos literally do not deserve alliance; I'd sooner ally with an Iranian, a North Korean, or a Palestinian than the likes of you and yours. I do not think 'hearts and minds' dealing with you skullduggerous swine; I think 'existential enemy'.

EDIT: lmao 🦀

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think I have a lot better grasp of the amount of shit I should give for Anglos, considering USA and UK tried to nuke India back in the 70s and Russia saved us. Also, I have Syrian and Palestinian friends, thanks to whom I actually know how devilish Europe has been. Studying Chinese history of Opium Wars I and II was just cherry on top of the cake. Did I forget to mention Asian countries continue to have border conflicts with each other, because genocidal British colonisers decided to draw lines on map in certain ways?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You know what we call it when you take an ethnic group and act like all its members are the same?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

What you have done since time immemorial, and only seem to have an issue with now that it's being done to you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

What's stopping them from redrawing their borders at the negotiating table?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

You're honestly hilarious.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago

His tendency to dismiss and belittle differing opinions aligns with the behavior of making jokes at someone else’s expense, a red flag of his intention to demean rather than engage. This approach not only stifles productive discourse but also exposes their inability to appreciate the nuances in complex issues. The mark of a first-rate intelligence is holding two opposed ideas while still functioning, *a capacity *TheAnоnymоuseJоker seems to lack. He demonstrates an inability to see a world where an idea can be both right and wrong, as seen in his black-and-white arguments.

You’ll be a revolution of one

Ironically, and I quote him:

powerless against one many army

Furthermore, the consistent denial and projection of his biases onto others underscore his low self-esteem and desire to control and influence the narrative. This manipulation, characterized by deceiving and creating misleading narratives, aligns with the observation that the most argumentative people rarely persuade anyone. Persuasion is an art that requires observation, listening, and inquiry, not blunt force.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's a very mature response

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

It’s also crucial to consider the source of advice or criticism. TheAnоnymоuseJоker's attacks are reminiscent of those who criticize yet have never built anything themselves. Their actions seems more about garnering attention than offering constructive criticism. One cannot be offended by someone they do not respect. It's important to take advice from those you respect and who contribute positively, not from those who seek to destroy. TheAnоnymоuseJоker should address the need for maturity and constructive engagement rather than dismissive or sarcastic remarks.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine good Russia bad?

Sorry I don't side with imperialism.

Ukraine wants to not be invaded by it's neighbor, and Russia did so to conquer it in direct contradiction to a treaty it signed when Ukraine gave it's nukes to Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. On multiple occasions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Russia is not conquering Ukraine though. Has Russia done this in the course of over one year? On the other hand, Blackrock is selling and buying Ukrainian land for some mysterious reason. Somehow, a private USA company is conquering Ukraine's land.

I call bullshit on your claims and credibility.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Did Russia not invade Ukraine's sovereign territory?

That's a pretty big rock you've been living under to miss that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine wants to not be invaded by it's neighbor, and Russia did so to conquer it

Your claim, not mine. Do not change goalposts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If Ukraine wasn't offered vast assistance they would have likely been swallowed by Russia by now.

Russia invaded. Russia was the aggressor, with some eye rolling cliché reasoning to boot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Never play chess with pigeons. History is cliché for clowns.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's basically every political sub I've come across browsing in my instance

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It's a question of degree.