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I've been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Lemmygrad and Hexbear aren’t “leftist” in the confused sense that Americans usually mean “leftist.” They’re actually leftist in the original sense, meaning that they want to abolish private ownership of the means of production. To the extent they’re “widely hated,” it’s largely because the Anglosphere has been indoctrinated against real, actual socialism their entire lives.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

More often than not, when Americans say leftist they really mean left-liberalism a la Bernie Sanders, which is really center-left at most, and not actually leftist in the original sense, a sense which Americans have forgotten thanks to two Red Scares and the first Cold War.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, but leninists are not leftist in any significant sense either. They are more authoritarian/ totalitarian than they are left or right.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Totalitarian is an invented term, and every single government and governance structure is "authoritarian" by definition. These words mean hubris, and are dogwhistles for anti-communists.

If Leninists are not leftists according to you, you might as well start to claim Hitler was not a fascist, and Bush, Obama, Clinton, Churchill were all great homies.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

That's not the part people have an issue with, the part where their users deny genocides, call everyone that has a less extreme left opinion of politics Nazis, end up being so "anti-racism" that they're racists themselves and take all critics as personal attacks, that's what people have an issue with.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Wild how much footage is coming out of Gaza right now showing an actual ongoing genocide, yet Zionists and their water-carriers will harp on and on about how Israel is merely defending itself.

Nothing of the sort from Xinjiang. At all.

I'd like to see ONE verifiable image or video depicting this supposed Uyghur genocide we're denying. ONE. Apparently it's one of the worst human atrocities occuring right now. One of the worst in HISTORY.

So... show me a single picture. Fetish porn doesn't count. Where are the dead bodies? Where are these supposed mass graves?

Love to break it to ya, they don't fucking exist and they never did. You've been lied to.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

The US state department lawyers and the British House of Lords have evidence. That's why they're pursuing convictions of the Chinese leaders involved. No, wait— sorry, I misremembered. They both concluded there is insufficient evidence.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

their users deny genocides

If you are referring to the Xinjiang issue, then it just reaffirms what @[email protected] just said:

it’s largely because the Anglosphere has been indoctrinated against real, actual socialism their entire lives

Because the "Uyghur genocide" in Xinjiang is another example of propaganda. Or do you really think the West cares about Muslims and want to protect their "freedom"?

call everyone that has a less extreme left opinion of politics Nazis

I don't see anyone in Lemmygrad calling other people "Nazis" because they disagree with someone in a discussion. I usually see them criticizing others as "liberals." This is either a misrepresentation of leftists in general, very common among conservatives, or you are frequently being called a Nazi. I don't know, maybe that's on you? 🤔

end up being so “anti-racism” that they’re racists themselves and take all critics as personal attacks

That's so specific you should give at least one example of this. We have very strict moderation against any bigotry, so I challenge you to link any "racist" attitude or comment you have seen in Lemmygrad. I will give you 24 hours, and if you don't reply with an example, I will edit this comment saying you chickened out.

EDIT: They chickened out, as expected.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

And 24 hours have passed with no evidence! No sources! No citations! Typical unsubstantiated settler horseshit.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

end up being so “anti-racism” that they’re racists themselves

lmao shut up ; settler tears are abundant in supply and abysmally low in both demand and quality

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love you and how you take the time to call out all of these comments.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I'm on break and I don't celebrate Amerikan Genocide Day; I got nothin but time today homie

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (13 children)

end up being so “anti-racism” that they’re racists themselves

anyone complaining about "reverse racism" or "anti white racism" is a complete joke. like boo fucking hoo, someone called you a cracker on the internet, get over it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That isn't what they are talking about, hopefully. But if it is, I agree, a hearty "lol" is in order.

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