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Whatever Palestine does to free themselves from oppression is justified. Israel has never been oppressed by Palestine.
If the Jews had had a group similar to Hamas during the Holocaust, any rational person would say that's a good thing, as it might have lessened the horrors the Nazis could put them through. So yes, if the victims of a genocide retaliate against the perpetrators of it, that is good. Learn critical thinking skills please.
Critical thinking - would a little Jewish strike group attacking German civilians make the Nazi party hold back and lessen the horrors, or would it have scared the Germans into further supporting the Nazi party and lead to an even more outright assault on Jewish people, making the horrors even worse?
It would have made it worse. Without a doubt, the Holocaust would have been even worse.
You need to be honest with yourself, is this about protecting human life, or do you just fetishize violence against people you hate?
Hate to break it to you but violence has been the solution in every successful civil rights movement.
All your rights we're violently fought for and defended at some point in history.
Saying killing Nazis would have made the holocaust worse has to be one of the dumbest things I've read. How could it be any worse!?
Many German civilians actually sympathized with the Jews and helped them hide/escape.
Now imagine they hadn't.
It could absolutely have been worse.
At some point it was violent, and at some point the violence ended.
You don't want the violence to end, you want an excuse to indulge in your fetish for violence and feel like you're morally right for it.
Germans sympathetic to the Jewish plight would've helped their neighbours and friends no matter what Jewish resistance was doing.
Do I have a fetish for violence or do I just believe that oppressed people should be able to fight for their rights like those before us did.
Are you are happy to have your rights and pull the ladder up behind you?
If you don't allow those who's rights are being trampled on in the most horrendous ways to fight back you condemn them.
You're privileged af. Sympathy doesn't just stick around when someone is killing your family.
I'd rather preserve my rights because if I lose my rights, I can do jack shit for anyone else.
Swallow this bitter pill: if Trump wins in 2024 and women and LGBT and minorities continue to lose rights, Palestinians will suffer and die more.
The difference is that you don't support any scenario in which oppression lessens or ends. You only support scenarios in which oppression and violence get worse.
Yeah 100% you're horny for blood and you make it everyone else's problem.
And you're a bootlicking fool who's argument doesn't even hold true to what we've seen in Israel.
Even after what Israel and western media have made out to be the biggest horror of our time, Israelis are still risking police violence and imprisonment to protest the injustice of Israels actions.
You might as well have lost them for as much good as you are doing for anyone else.
I support liberation you just support peace so you can sleep at night.
There can not be peace without liberation and violence is a tool to be used when every peaceful method has failed.
Violence got Irish Catholics self determination and equality in Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Violence got the civil rights movement in America to where it is now.
Violence keeps neo-nazis underground in a lot of places.
Resistance to oppression is not an end, it's not even a means to an end. It's a right enshrined by international law.
Liberation how? Like how Hitler liberated Germany, kill all the Jews?
Hitler did not liberate Germany, you're projecting your genocidal views on the rest of us.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/liberation
The first fucking example:
They certainly referred to it as liberation, make no mistake you are using Nazi wordplay.
And it speaks mountains that you won't even try the deny that killing the Jews is your agenda.
I'm literally advocating for peace, you are the one who thinks you're pursuing a "righteous" ethnic cleansing.
Peace is a white mans word.
Injustice will continue to happen under peace, just as it has on and off for 75 years in Palestine.
Liberation is the term used by black civil rights activists in America. Liberation is the tern used by indigenous rights groups the works over. Liberation is the term used by anti-colonial movements. Liberation was the term used by the resistance in ww2.
You trying to paint someone advocating for the oppressed as a Nazi is one of the laziest piece of shit moves when you don't do the same for those perpetrating a genocide.