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Tlaib's defense of Palestinian chant prompts Jewish Democrats to call for retraction
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There are only two ways to interpret the sentence "from river to sea", and one is a call for genocide, and the other is a pipe dream. The only scenario that ends without a genocide in some form is the two states solution.
You could have a genocide-free one-state solution. Many states have both Jewish and Islamic citizens. It's not that hard.
Literally neighboring Lebanon manages it
Yes, and that's the second solution that was mentioned. One secular and fair state.
If the colonists and the current troop movements in Gaza prove anything, the two state solution have been delusional for the last 20 years.
What it does, however is deny the statement "I believe that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state", which is supposedly antisemitic.
The two state solution will never work. After this conflict, neither side trusts the other enough to share borders any longer. Israel thinks they're stopping terrorists, but in the process they're inspiring hundreds more.
A neutral body needs to step in and end the Apartheid state in Israel. Equal rights and protections need to be given for Palestinians, they deserve equal representation in government, and democratic elections need to be held that can be audited by the international community.
Dissolve the Israeli military and set up an international peacekeeping force in the region for at least 10 years. After that, they are allowed nothing more than a self defense force. Codify it into the new constitution that they cannot make any expansionist movements from that point on.
I don't think that would work much better to be honest, because the groups would still hold resentment against eachother for a long time after. I fear it'd end up like what often has happened in post-colonial states with borders arbitrarily drawn by outside powers, where power struggles follow ethnic lines and frequent civil wars involve genocide. If an outside power even could impose that (and one should consider that Israel is almost definitely nuclear armed), then that power could also set up two or more states and enforce a buffer between them, or with power sufficiently balanced between the two sides as to deter full scale war.
The day the Palestinians puts down their weapons will be the day peace begins. The day Israel puts down their weapons will be the day all Israelis are massacred. That is the difference between the two sides - coexistence vs "from the river to the sea"
yeah nobody calls to "step in and end" anything for a sovereign country. Good luck trying to "step in" to China, Russia etc. Same for Israel. If you want to dissolve the military then you are welcome to go over there and give it a try.
As a Jewish person who was able to escape antisemitism in Russia in the 1980s, the state of Israel should not exist. There shouldn’t be a Jewish state.It was taken away from Palestinians and given to Jews in order to keep Jewish refugees from ending up in England and the U.S. Its birth is based on antisemitism and is perpetuated on antisemitism. U.S. Christians are trying to fulfill the end times prophecy. They want us to be sacrificial lambs.
You can have a Jewish state or a democratic state, but you can't have both.
Two state solution also involves either genocide or pipe dream? There are so many Israel-backed settlers in Palestine.
Why would it be hard for the illegal settlers to be removed? The Israelis managed to do just that in Gaza 15 years ago.
Two State solution is a dead joke. The only way forward is a one state solution and Truth and Reconciliation tribunals, similar to SA. Israel needs to return to being Palestine, and needs to be a non secular state.
Anything else and the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel will continue.
This is where you lose me. Religion and government should not mix. No exceptions.
Maybe they were thinking "secular" and "non-religious" when typing and ended up with "non-secular"
or maybe they just believe in "from the river to the sea".
Typos are antisemitic!
I think this was a misstatement/typo.
You sure you meant non-secular?
The day the Palestinians puts down their weapons will be the day peace begins. The day Israel puts down their weapons will be the day all Israelis are massacred. That is the difference between the two sides - coexistence vs “from the river to the sea”. Don't forget who started this war. Jews were already genocided once, so STFU while we defend ourselves after this latest attempt. Nobody else will protect us, so we're doing it ourselves.
What Israel is doing right now isn't "defense" it's vengeance.
"Jews were already genocided once" Right, I forgot that gave them the right to commit one free genocide themselves.
(/s, in case that wasn't clear)
Id sure like that defense to not involve so many dead children and journalists.
IDK why you'd want two Palestines but ok.