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Lemmy.ml is somewhat more neutral. In Lemmygrad you can sometimes have a discussion, but you will probably be downvoted. Hexbear is just toxic, it's like Lemmygrad but for 14 year olds.
No it isn't.
Lemmy.ml is run by the same group of people that run lemmygrad. They took over the domain a couple of months ago. Since then, Lemmy.ml has turned into a tankie paradise.
Moreover, Lemmy.ml will apply inconsistent moderation without ever informing you what happened. I was having posts removed, no one was telling me anything, and then suddenly I was banned for two weeks. I tried reaching out for help to get clarity and there was zero response.
Lemmy.ml is a dumpster fire that should be avoided at all possible costs unless you want to deal with reddit style moderation and behavior combined with the toxicity of lemmygrad and hexbear.
I can tell you Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml are not the same. If anything, lemmy.ml is privacy/tech based more than anything, with disdain for capitalism. They're not hardcore "AYE, COMRADE" like hexbear or lemmygrad, Jesus christ
Theyre run and populated by the exact same people, bud
They are a little bit more mask on than mask off, but they are just as hardcore tankie because its literally the same people
NO??? ml was the first general purpose instance and so had the most amount of users at the beginning, meaning a lot of normal communities developed there
Don't confuse the newbie who just got out of his Reddit bubble, he's scared and alone
Right, keep pretending the admins arent the same. Blame reddit for your confusion over 2 servers being owned by the same people.
Surely you will look clever, and smart. No one will find you out
I don't think they're arguing that?
Oh good! Let's trot out the condescension!
Your sense of entitled elitism does not redound to the quality of your character.
Okay, liberal.
Thank you for literally proving my point for me.
Genuine question, is that like supposed to be a legit insult or more ironic?
They definitely see it as an insult. Check the comment history and you’ll see there is no attempt at irony. Just an angry poster who’s fallen too deep into it.
If you go to very leftist areas of the internet (socialist or communist areas, anywhere from anarchistic (bottom left) to authoritarian (top left)) you'll see people using liberalism by its political science definition, rather than the definition its taken on within American culture. It stems from the idea of capital moving freely (that is, liberally) without restrictions. You'll also see it referred to as neoliberalism in the same spaces.
Full disclosure, I myself am pretty extremely socially libertarian (arguably borderline anarchistic), and have used liberal derogatively myself.
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wasn't ml started by Dessalines/nutomic??
THAT makes sense why ani.social defederated from Lemmy.ml (I only subscribed to the anime instance since it had the largest user base)
Edit: the “.ml” anime instance is still the largest compared to everyone else. What a shame that we can’t move away from it
This was Ani’s side of the story: https://ani.social/comment/2199318
Lemmy.ml defederated from ani.social, pretty sure cuz the borderline pedo bait
Yep. Explicitly because of CSAM
Gonna have to be that guy again, but underage cartoon porn is not CSAM. CSAM as a term was invented to help law enforcement focus their limited resources on actual child victims. Underage cartoons are still child pornography, and still wrong and illegal, but CSAM is something else and deserves more immediate action.
There's no point in having technical terminology if it isn't used correctly :o)
Good point. Lemmy.ml admins said CSAM was the reason so just passing that along.
I don't visit ani.social, a quick glimpse just now shows me a few Images that seem like borderline, but not straight-up "drawn sexualized child characters". No idea how they usually are.
But from following the story, it seems pretty typical that even the lemmy.ml admins - who develop Lemmy as a whole - would do a defederation without a public transparent process or even a notification to the deferated instance. That's straight up unpolite.
Lemmy.ml is run and was started by the developers of Lemmy. The developers themselves align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml for the most part. It's debateable how effective they are with this, it probably ebbs and flows somewhat.
Moderation without informing you is common across all lemmy instances. Moderators have to go out of their way to notify you, there are no automated messages to go along with moderator action. However, lemmy has always had an open modlog, so you can see why you were moderated if you look it up. Note: sometimes I've had difficulty loading the modlog, particularly the instance modlog (where an overall instance ban would be), though community modlogs tend to load fine.
Also, you should bear in mind the difference between instance admin and community moderators - a community moderator is allowed to run their community as they see fit, within the rules of the instance (like reddit was supposed to be). If a moderator wants to ban you, they may have every right to per the instance rules, even if they have no good justification or you didn't break any rules.
Certainly, the hexbear admin are just as bad as the hexbear moderators, and will throw bans around for dubious reasons while protecting their own committing the same offence. Lemmygrad moderators seem a little less eager to ban, but they're still looking for any excuse. I haven't had any encounters with lemmy.ml moderation though, but I wouldn't consider the place a dumpster fire - that title firmly belongs to hexbear.
One good reason to keep lemmy.ml is simply to keep up with lemmy back-end development.
And attempt to engage in secondary unused communities? A lot of the most active communities are on it, you are just asking for your home page to be either way too filtered or a wasteland.
I have cut lemmy.ml out of my diet entirely. My homepage is perfectly fine. People really dive back on this but all lemmy.ml offers is toxicity. Is that really worth looking at in the first place? Even if it was all a wasteland, that's still preferable to a toxic landfill.
I don't think [email protected] is that toxic, or [email protected], or [email protected]
I always have my home to "Subscribed", I see nothing really bothering me
Given the admin that is in control of all of those, and admin who have proven that they love to micromanage and moderate individual communities, then yes. Yes it is that toxic.
[email protected] is just as active
then subbing to ml as well will give you twice the activity
No, you just see everything twice.
Lemmygrad and Lemmyml are run by the same insane people...
Yes indeed but despite their more extreme beliefs compared to the average lemmings, they are quite lenient and accepting with lemmy.ml. I wouldn't call the devs insane, solely for the fact that they gladly welcomed all the Reddit immigrants despite that they get numerous hate posts about their ideology.
Just to clarify, I'm just a normal libcenter guy, not an extremist.
My multiple bans would suggest otherwise, you either get downvoted or banned. They really don't like it when people actually agree with you.
That wouldn't have anything to do with you being an obnoxious dink, would it?
Huh, didn't know that. Lemmyml seemed totally fine though?
If you want to see the face of a instance, look in the modlog.
But most of the moderation is done by community moderators, not admin. So it isn't necessarily the face of the instance but the face of each individual community.
However, if the moderator doesn't assign their username to the moderation action, then you can't really tell who's done it. It just says "mod", but it could be a community moderator, or it could be an admin. I can understand a mod not wanting to publish their username with the action, but it should still at least tell you what capacity they were acting under. Generally, I think instance admin are more sensible (with the exception of hexbear).
Also, when you load the instance modlog you'll end up seeing moderation from every other instance, and it doesn't even tell you which community it refers to most of the time.
Lemmy.ml is run by the developers of Lemmy. They align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml. How successful they are with that is another matter.
Well, I've never come across anything that made me notice, which is certainly a good thing.
They're all radioactive shitholes. There is no "lesser evil", it's all hypocrisy and willful ignorance in those circles.
Lemmy.ml has several solid communities, including the largest AskLemmy community. Their top 20 largest communities are all pretty mainstream and don't really see the kind of posts/comments that make people wary of Lemmygrad or Hexbear.
I've had multiple bans from Lemmy.ml, they are anything but neutral. The best way to cop a ban is to make a comment arguing with their point of view that people actually agree with, they hate that.
They're also some of the most insufferable people on the Internet.
Were they bans from lemmy.ml, or from specific communities within lemmy.ml? I've only had a ban from [email protected]
Edit: Actually maybe it was for the whole instance lol, not sure, I hadn't noticed I was banned for 2 weeks anyway.
Edit2: Seems it was just the one community, I was commenting on other lemmy.ml communities just fine. However the modlog doesn't say which community I was banned from. Generally, the modlog should contain more information.
I've had both an account suspended, and a ban from presumably the whole instance. I didn't care enough to investigate further.
Looks like you have a year ban at POLICE PROBLEM then a 5 day instance ban on another account. Although, I'm not sure it is an instance ban, I had a similar one that had no community in the modlog but I was still able to comment on other lemmy.ml communities (this could have been a federation bug).
Multiple accounts have had a bunch of removed comments under "Rule 1" and "Rule 2" bans (which are kind of bullshit as they don't actually reference which set of rules, the modlog doesn't say which community it was removed from and also most rules are just bullet points and not numbered). Typically these are either bigotry or "Be civil/respsectful", which way around they are depends on which set of rules. The former is often misused all over lemmy, but the latter can cover any hostile comment.
Currently you have a ~2 month long ban from .ml's World News, but that does seem to me a problem community from what I've been seeing.
This one was funny:
I can just imagine the look on the mod's face when they realised their reason would be published to the modlog, trying to go back and change it only for it all to be set in stone. What's interesting is they didn't remove any comments.