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Almost 40% think Australia should dump US alliance if Donald Trump returns as president, poll finds
(www.theguardian.com)
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There are so many answers to this but the most egregious of all is trying to overthrow the democratically elected government through any and all means. Shouldn't be hard to understand.
He's also under 90 felony indictments for fraud and espionage
I am not defending Trump in any shape or form. I am saying there are more devious ways to authorianism happening right now
Oh yeah, we're really lucky he's an idiot in addition to being a boorish liar who only gets idiot lackies to work for him. He might have actually overthrown the government.
What I am saying is that it'd be great if US people had 1 percent of this zeal when speaking against actual war crimes that Biden is condoning. But of course at least he mostly knows how to speak so let's just all keep focusing on Trump for another year or so.
What's the weather like in your reality?
I don't see any 24/07 media attacks on Biden in the same way I saw with Trump. As someone not in the USA I see Biden as having much more of a terrible effect than Trump ever did. Some criticism of Trump is warranted but it sometimes borders on some weird hysteria where it obscures everything else. He is used as a way to obscure many systematic issues that were always already there and took even a bad turn now with Biden. The focus on Trump even now shows that he plays this role of obscuring and diverting attention. Why do you think people keep talking about him even if he has basically no power now ?
Now I know how Europeans feel when Americans talk about their politics. This is a completely unfounded and insane opinion.
You know Trump said to inject bleach to cure COVID, right?
Why did you assume I am a European though ? I am Arabic and I can assure you Biden is having more of a destabilizing effect on me than Trump ever did.
I know what Trump said. I know he said dumb shit. That's not my point. I am not saying Trump is good.
Then you’re not paying enough attention
Alright if you say so. I might be wrong about this. But this overzealous response I got here is interesting. I still think there's a valid critique of Trump but there's a hysterics of Trump that functions in a weird way. The obsession, even now, with his every move and every word is interesting and for me goes beyond the simple fact that he was a bad president. It's as if he becomes the stand-in for a proper systematic critique
If someone tried to overthrow your government you’d pay attention to them, too
You're really fucking out of touch with reality.
Maybe just your reality ? I am Arabic and I can see the destabilization that's occurring right in front of me due to the stupid blunders that Biden is doing. I have never felt that with Trump.
Perfect example of "muh both sides" being used to excuse terrible behavior by right-wingers. It's almost universally the case where it is used.
I am actually a leftist who wants a proper left and not some dressed up liberal shit that's just a consumable authoritarianism.
What I'm saying here has been said over and over again by leftist theorists who see the obsession with Trump as actually a mistake. It remains on the surface as this kind of politics of negativity (negativity in the philosophical sense )
Ok that's a fair point. But I see him used as a kind of scapegoat that masks what is happening now. No matter how fucked are US policies now some would day "at least it's not Trump." There was never a chance of him overthrowing anything tbh. The riot that happened are kind of a joke and they didn't even know wtf to do once they got inside so they just took selfies. It's a terrible look of course but I don't think there was any great danger given what it would take to actually overthrow a government in the US.
It was not just a riot. It was a (thankfully failed) insurrection. He wanted to delay the counting of the electoral votes, maybe never count them at all. And if that failed, he and his minions plotted to put fake electors in place to get the votes of blue states thrown out. He pressured the VP to ignore the constitution and declare him president via the fake electors. Had Mike Pence had a little less integrity, it would have worked.
Trump's loose lips that shared secret information with foreigners. We lost many operatives around the world following his spillage of state secrets.
It's the stealing and refusing to return top secret/compartmentalized documents. It's 91 federal indictments related to all the above. It's the fact that he's under indictment in more than one state.
If none of that is enough for you:
He dismantled the US pandemic rapid response centers, sentencing many Americans to death when Covid hit. He downplayed the virus, attacked the surgeon general & mocked him, refused to wear a mask or take any precautions at all. And he led close to half the country with him, causing Covid to hit us much more severely than it could have. He suggested using bleach and light internally as a cure.
He drew on a map with a sharpie, to show us all where we should make a hurricane hit.
He's a vindictive man who delayed/withheld aid to California after devastating wildfires because they had not voted for him. "If they don't like me, I don't like them."
He is a man who acts like a toddler with the vocabulary of a third grader...a truly stupid man with mob-like tendencies.
He's aligned himself with white supremacists.
He's bragged about seeing teenage girls nude in the miss teen america dressing room. He has bragged about kissing women without their permission, of grabbing them by the pussy, talked earnestly about how big his newborn daughter's boobs would get, talked about how he'd date her if she wasn't his daughter, cheated on all his wives, buried one of them on a golf course, failed to maintain the burial site...just to save a couple of tax dollars.
He fleeced the elderly and uneducated of this country by giving them fake coins and dollars in exchange for donations. He stiffed contractors and lawyers by failing to pay them after they've earned their pay.
He is, at best, a pig who lusts for power and if he gets it back, he'll not willingly let go.
So it's not just a joke riot. Trump did actual damage and is continuing to do so today by holding the entire GOP by the balls.
Scapegoat??? Maybe look up that term means. He's the cause of much of the shit and continues to be. He spews hate and lies, so much that a large percentage of the population actually doubts the 2020 results.
And what if just a few more people had went along with him? What if Pence threw out the votes? What if Barr went along with his story that the election was stolen? What if the rioters had gotten to the Representatives on Jan 6th? Might that gallows have been used? How many more would have went along with the lie just to avoid being caught up in violence?
The world and the US have a lot of problems completely unrelated to Trump, but he made none of the problems better, many worse and created some of its worst unlike any other president in history.
I know what scapegoating means. It has a specific sense in ideology critique (for example in Zizek's Sublime object of Ideology). It means a figure in which a systematic issue is projected in order to mask the system itself. I am not saying Trump was good. I am saying the hysteric focus on him as this evil detached from the system, instead of a symptom and the culmination of it, is scapegoating. It doesn't mean he is good. Even now when Biden condones war crimes we are hearing about Trump who has no power whatsoever. Trump is used to not confront what is there and what may give rise to other Trumps or maybe to some politically correct genocide suppoeter as a president.