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weird (adj.)
c. 1400,
• "having power to control fate", from wierd (n.), from Old English wyrd "fate, chance, fortune; destiny; the Fates," literally "that which comes,"
• from Proto-Germanic wurthiz (cognates: Old Saxon wurd, Old High German wurt "fate," Old Norse urðr "fate, one of the three Norns"),
• from PIE wert- "to turn, to wind," (cognates: German werden, Old English weorðan "to become"),
• from root wer- (3) "to turn, bend" (see versus).
• For sense development from "turning" to "becoming," compare phrase turn into "become."
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Not me. I am unstirred and unshaken by that notion.
Think about how mortals relate to time. To a mortal their body's span of time is everything. That's why mortals feel time pressure and this can be good and bad, because on one hand it can push them harder than otherwise, but on the other hand it creates a brittle mindset where if you cannot get some results in some rather short and limited time frame, and your time is almost up, you just give up and admit defeat. An immortal never admits defeat and "give up" is not even in their vocabulary. There is "rest" but not "give up." There is "pause" or "change of plans" but never "give up." An immortal with an 80 year old body is not thinking that "it's almost over and I better tally up what I've done so far and hang my hat and get ready for the grave or an ash urn."
Time is an illusion of the mind. Trillions of years pass like a flash of lightning. One breath takes trillions of years to complete. Trillions of years can be seen as a very short time and one breath can be an eternity. The length of one's arm can be longer than the known universe or it can just be under 3 feet (or under 1 meter). Is the moon for away or is it right here? Is my body right here or is it far away? Conventionally-minded people believe there is only one correct way to answer such questions, but immortals know there is boundless freedom and thus they can answer any of these questions in any which way they want. And usually I imagine it would be in the most empowering, fun and exciting to them way if they want that, or if they want peace then in the most peaceful way. But the point is, the range of thought is what's different. Mortals have a very narrow range of allowable ("sane") thought and allowable attitudes and allowable feelings.
I think instead of "beginner's mind" one needs to adopt an "immortal mind" and proceed from the end. How would an immortal and infinitely wise and powerful version of you look at your situation? Would that one be desperate and in a hurry, or would they suppress both existence and non-existence with just one gaze and one thought and then rest like one all-accomplishing lord? I don't know. It's up to you.
In my view it's essential to give up human identity and change to a mental process of being an immortal or otherwise an adept of some sort. And then use that kind of process to achieve your spiritual goals. Even if you don't know some details consciously, you know in principle you know them subconsciously because of the original omniscience. And then you know that whatever you may not yet know, invariably, without fail, axiomatically, you will come to know it in the best way possible, for that is your will. So there is a sense of competence and power here, because whether you know it consciously right now or not, you will know whatever you intend to know within a reasonable time frame, and your idea of what is "reasonable" doesn't have to be the same as a mortal's.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-09-14 14:16:27 (dmzc83y)
I think this is a good idea, essential even. The deification of one's own mind. I will inevitably succeed, that is a fact. Even as I type this, success is already mine. So because I'm already inevitably going to achieve it, now the question for me becomes "what if I can achieve it right now?".
In a way, it's a sort of personal challenge. If I can achieve it within my set time frame, then it's all win and zero loss. If I can achieve it right now, then why should I continue to put up with this bland sensory experience?
Deification theoretically takes an instant to achieve. In practice, it's not like that unfortunately but if I can set the conditions for something as close to instant deification as possible, then I can achieve my final end state as soon as possible.
Sure it sounds really rushed and hurried and it is. You could even say this goal is very obviously the manifestation of a conventional mind still entrenched in physicalist ideas and notions. I'm not going to deny that I'm impatient, maybe that might change down the line but right now I'm very hungry and my prize is just out of reach. Hopefully I'll have the prize before the impatience grows out of hand.
Of course, if I don't get it, then it's not the end of the road. My resolve will probably weaken and that's where an immortal focused mindset will come in handy. And ultimately all this slogging and struggle to reach the pinnacle will eventually result in reaching that pinnacle, it won't be any other way.
Yeah overall this is a very useful idea to play around with and I think at the very minimum, it should be partially if not fully adopted, regardless of what your method is. It links nicely into the original comment about the "big ego". Conventional perspectives aren't useful in the long run.
Originally commented by u/Green-Moon on 2017-09-15 14:10:42 (dn11m5i)
Then this for me becomes, "If such and such transformation happened right in front of my face, how would I feel about it? Could I accept it and live with it?"
That's the one thing I've seen repeatedly in my life. When transformations pass a certain degree of subjective impressiveness, there is something in me that would reject them and basically not be OK with them. That "something" (a certain way of thinking and relating to experience, a certain way of expecting certain features from my experience, a habit of whatever is familiar, etc.) is softening up slowly and gradually. I feel like I am less tripped out by the "strange" than before, but it's still a step from that to having the strange appear in your name and taking responsibility for it too, and then not going back to the habit of trying to resolve it from many different perspectives, because otherwise, it's like there is still a memory of an old-style world in my mind and it's as if none of this "new" stuff even happened in that old world and the old world perspectives have to accept the new stuff, which of course they cannot, so it cannot be. So letting go or loosening up around the old world (the world from one's memories, how it used to be, which is how I knew that it used to be), and the entire external perspective game, is essential too.
Even if such efforts do not immediately in themselves reach fruition, they create the necessary supporting conditions for further efforts which then would reach it. So nothing is ever wasted.
The only way to slow oneself down is to go on a tangent somewhere. But tangents can have their own advantages. It's like taking a scenic route. It might not be the fastest, but you get to see more on the way and when you arrive, you have a bigger experienced context from your journey if you had taken a more scenic route.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-09-15 15:18:22 (dn13wjr)
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