I'm fucking done with Chrome. Fuck this.
this post was submitted on 25 Oct 2023
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When was the last time Google made something objectively useful and not some ad bs?
Google used to be an awesome company.
They have turned into absolute garbage, something I never thought possible.
I'm locked into Gmail, that's too big of a pain in the ass to switch, but everything else I try to avoid like the plague. From shitty hardware, to abandoned software to adinfested garbage, everything they are making right now is straight dogshit.
Google search has become some real garbage lately too. I can't search for anything without getting a full page of generic useless crap that was either written by AI or an incompetent author.
Isn't this a lab toggle?
Create a new email, forward all mails from gmail to this new email, start using the new email?
Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. I feel like we had all these things >10 years ago. It really feels like once they realized google+ wasn't going to win over facebook, they were done.
Proton Mail makes it pretty easy to switch from Gmail with its Easy Switch feature
Street view is cool.
Maps, Earth, Translate, Android, Gmail, and a lot more. Unfortunately, most of these were made years ago.
Oh Maps is an ad-fest all right. Nothing like needing to read a street name or see a particular business but Google says, “Oh no, I this is what you really want to see!”
Maps and earth are ok at best, other businesses were better but then google bought them ( cough waze cough ). Translate is meh and deepl is better. Android is okish, but only if you use stock, lineageOS or GrapheneOS with at most minimal google services. Gmail... I never use.
They were services that started out nice, but got bloated with ad and spying over the years that theyve become meh at most in my book, sadly
GrapheneOS is probably the best Android ROM, it completely removes all Google services and makes significant privacy and security improvements to the entire operating system stack.
Ive never used grapheneOS tbh. Should give it a go someday then!
Ive always used LineageOS, and installed the nano google services package afterwards. Time to shake it up a bit if i can i suppose! ( i do use android auto, but with voice app disabled )
Trust me, Graphene is awesome! Check out their website and read through the documentation, it's truly amazing. So many security improvements, basically no bloatware, no Google apps or services whatsoever. All the Google network services are replaced by GrapheneOS proxies or can be entirely disabled, you can install Google Play services if you want to, but they are sandboxed and don't have access to sensitive data on your phone. You can still pass SafetyNet checks and use most banking apps though. They also push out updates insanely fast, often on the same day, just a couple of hours later than on the stock OS. I think Graphene was the first major non-stock ROM that got Android 14.
Just did some research as it all sounds very good, and they dont support the fairphone 4. Some of their arguments are legit ( missing cpu features ), some of them are questionable ( fairphone not releasing security patches fast enough. Idk, lineagoeos seems to release weekly together with the android releases? ). Guess ill have to look at grapheneOS at the future when i look at a new phone ( so in 7 or 8 years lol )
Yeah, they are really picky about phone vendors in regards to security. In order to achieve a fully patched Android system, you need multiple up-to-date components. Obviously, you need security patches for Android itself, but you also need kernel patches for the specific device that you are using. Those are provided by the vendor. I can imagine that Fairphone can't always provide them on time, as they are a smaller company with limited resources. That's why only Google Pixels are currently supported by GrapheneOS. Btw: If you get an 8th Gen Pixel, you can also use that for a really long time, they just extended the security patches for the newest generation of phones to 7 years.
You can try DivestOS, it's also a good ROM for privacy and they have support for the Fairphone 3 and 4.
Thats too bad. I dont plan on buying a new phone in , at least, 6 years so itll have to wait then.
I know fairphone might look to be slow on driver update, but afaik they skipped a few versions to go straight to android 13. And i also know they try to maintain their own drivers so they provide support even if the soc vendor doesnt.
Its a very complex thing tbh, but ill keep grapheneOS on my radar!
That's not good.
Interesting. I don't know how they do this, as SOC manufacturers almost never publish sufficient documentation in order to actually write custom drivers.
Maybe try out DivestOS, they support Fairphones.
i do agree maps, earth, and translate are very good, and their open source counterparts are not nearly as good, but android is not entirely made by google, and (i believe) aosp is fully foss with no google crap. gmail is admittedly very nice to setup and use, but is pretty unremarkable, being essentially just another email provider, but free
What's so great about Gmail? It's just another Email provider and it's not even end-to-end encrypted. Use Proton Mail or Tutanota.
I don't know about tutanota but Proton is only end to end encrypted to other users of Proton and that's very rare to encounter.
You can also use openPGP on Gmail, but that is also very uncommon since pretty much no one uses openPGP.
Gmail is great because it's free and does its job perfectly fine. An email provider doesn't need more.
Apparently Gmail was the best many years ago but I guess everyone else caught up.
Proton encrypts the messages in your inbox, they can't read them, only you can. Google on the other side can look at all of your messages, as they have access to the encryption keys. Also, Proton is open source allowing you to verify everything yourself.
You can encrypt your emails on Gmail too.
I have thought about switching for many years, but I haven't pulled the trigger. Sounds like a lot of work
It also seems like K9 mail isn't supported with proton and thunderbird support is a little more annoying to set-up.
And you know, free is nice.
5 euro a month is little more than I would want.
You can't encrypt your inbox, Google will always be able to read everything.
I switched from Gmail to Proton, trust me, it's not that much work. Especially with Easy Switch.
Yeah, but the (open source btw) Proton Mail Android app is totally fine.
Proton Mail also has a generous free plan
I have a free account that I made years ago, but I haven't used it for anything.
Btw, most emails are not end to end encrypted on proton. Only emails from/to other proton users or emails sent/received using their "password-protected emails" feature and of course any emails sent/received from anyone that's using openPGP.
Also the free tier only includes 500 MB of storage which is extremely little, it also doesn't include IMAP support which is a deal breaker, it also injects ads into your sent emails which is stupid.
I will try it for a short time and see.
For me to keep using it (and pay, because the free tier is pretty bad) it really needs to be better and not just in the privacy sense. I also need more money.
I know that, but I'm talking about the emails that are stored in your inbox, not incoming/outgoing messages.
I've been using Proton Mail since 2020 and so far I only used ~100MB.
Because it's impossible to offer IMAP when all the messages are encrypted. They would have to decrypt your messages on their servers in order to allow you to connect via IMAP. Proton Mail offers a workaround though, you can download their Proton Mail Bridge application on your computer, which will locally decrypt the messages and create a local IMAP server that you can connect to with your Email client of choice. That way, the unencrypted messages never leave your computer.
Uh, no. Where does Proton Mail inject ads? That's only something that Google would do. If you mean the signature, Apple has been doing the same thing for over a decade. It's not really ads though, it's just a short string of text saying 'Sent from Proton Mail'. It's added before the message is sent though, so you can just delete it. Apple does the same thing, if you send an email from an iPhone it will say 'Sent from my iPhone' in the Email signature.
All my emails in Gmail are 2,7 GB and of course I would want to import them, what's the point otherwise.
Yes, I know. I thought I said that earlier.
The workaround isn't possible to use with a free account.
Yes, that is what I mean. I don't know about Apple since I don't use anything from Apple, but you can't turn off the footer with a free proton account.
It's clearly an ad for Proton. I have nothing against it except that it's impossible to turn off. Also it's stupid to have those for the web app, as they are meant for the receiver to know that you're on a mobile and maybe can't respond.
Well, all of those issues would be solved by Proton Mail Plus for 3,50€/month ($4). For Gmail, you pay with your data.
Yes, I know. I just don't know if it's worth 4,99 €/month
@netchami @lud you can bypass no imap thing with electronmail, which is an unofficial protonmail app electron style.
Hydroxide is another option. It's basically the Proton Mail bridge, but it doesn't require the paid plan.
@netchami yeah, but isn't it broken rn?
Oh, I didn't know that. Last time I used hydroxide in 2021, now I just the the Proton Mail Bridge.
@netchami looks like hydroxide works for now, but you can view your email offline with electronmail as well
Ok, thanks. I've known about ElectronMail, but I never actually tried it. It also seems to support Tutanota?
@netchami I don't think it does. I don't see any options to add a tutanota account and tutanota has their own application anyway
Well, I found this article from 2020: https://itsfoss.com/electronmail/. It suggests that ElectronMail also supports Tutanota, but it might have been removed since then.
@netchami that might be the case, since tutanota has an appimage now
That's cool.