I'm fucking done with Chrome. Fuck this.
this post was submitted on 25 Oct 2023
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What's so great about Gmail? It's just another Email provider and it's not even end-to-end encrypted. Use Proton Mail or Tutanota.
I don't know about tutanota but Proton is only end to end encrypted to other users of Proton and that's very rare to encounter.
You can also use openPGP on Gmail, but that is also very uncommon since pretty much no one uses openPGP.
Gmail is great because it's free and does its job perfectly fine. An email provider doesn't need more.
Apparently Gmail was the best many years ago but I guess everyone else caught up.
Proton encrypts the messages in your inbox, they can't read them, only you can. Google on the other side can look at all of your messages, as they have access to the encryption keys. Also, Proton is open source allowing you to verify everything yourself.
You can encrypt your emails on Gmail too.
I have thought about switching for many years, but I haven't pulled the trigger. Sounds like a lot of work
It also seems like K9 mail isn't supported with proton and thunderbird support is a little more annoying to set-up.
And you know, free is nice.
5 euro a month is little more than I would want.
You can't encrypt your inbox, Google will always be able to read everything.
I switched from Gmail to Proton, trust me, it's not that much work. Especially with Easy Switch.
Yeah, but the (open source btw) Proton Mail Android app is totally fine.
Proton Mail also has a generous free plan
I have a free account that I made years ago, but I haven't used it for anything.
Btw, most emails are not end to end encrypted on proton. Only emails from/to other proton users or emails sent/received using their "password-protected emails" feature and of course any emails sent/received from anyone that's using openPGP.
Also the free tier only includes 500 MB of storage which is extremely little, it also doesn't include IMAP support which is a deal breaker, it also injects ads into your sent emails which is stupid.
I will try it for a short time and see.
For me to keep using it (and pay, because the free tier is pretty bad) it really needs to be better and not just in the privacy sense. I also need more money.
I know that, but I'm talking about the emails that are stored in your inbox, not incoming/outgoing messages.
I've been using Proton Mail since 2020 and so far I only used ~100MB.
Because it's impossible to offer IMAP when all the messages are encrypted. They would have to decrypt your messages on their servers in order to allow you to connect via IMAP. Proton Mail offers a workaround though, you can download their Proton Mail Bridge application on your computer, which will locally decrypt the messages and create a local IMAP server that you can connect to with your Email client of choice. That way, the unencrypted messages never leave your computer.
Uh, no. Where does Proton Mail inject ads? That's only something that Google would do. If you mean the signature, Apple has been doing the same thing for over a decade. It's not really ads though, it's just a short string of text saying 'Sent from Proton Mail'. It's added before the message is sent though, so you can just delete it. Apple does the same thing, if you send an email from an iPhone it will say 'Sent from my iPhone' in the Email signature.
All my emails in Gmail are 2,7 GB and of course I would want to import them, what's the point otherwise.
Yes, I know. I thought I said that earlier.
The workaround isn't possible to use with a free account.
Yes, that is what I mean. I don't know about Apple since I don't use anything from Apple, but you can't turn off the footer with a free proton account.
It's clearly an ad for Proton. I have nothing against it except that it's impossible to turn off. Also it's stupid to have those for the web app, as they are meant for the receiver to know that you're on a mobile and maybe can't respond.
Well, all of those issues would be solved by Proton Mail Plus for 3,50€/month ($4). For Gmail, you pay with your data.
Yes, I know. I just don't know if it's worth 4,99 €/month
@netchami @lud you can bypass no imap thing with electronmail, which is an unofficial protonmail app electron style.
Hydroxide is another option. It's basically the Proton Mail bridge, but it doesn't require the paid plan.
@netchami yeah, but isn't it broken rn?
Oh, I didn't know that. Last time I used hydroxide in 2021, now I just the the Proton Mail Bridge.
@netchami looks like hydroxide works for now, but you can view your email offline with electronmail as well
Ok, thanks. I've known about ElectronMail, but I never actually tried it. It also seems to support Tutanota?
@netchami I don't think it does. I don't see any options to add a tutanota account and tutanota has their own application anyway
Well, I found this article from 2020: https://itsfoss.com/electronmail/. It suggests that ElectronMail also supports Tutanota, but it might have been removed since then.
@netchami that might be the case, since tutanota has an appimage now
That's cool.