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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Deepfakes of an actual child should be considered defamatory use of a person's image; but they aren't evidence of actual abuse the way real CSAM is.

Remember, the original point of the term "child sexual abuse material" was to distinguish images/video made through the actual abuse of a child, from depictions not involving actual abuse -- such as erotic Harry Potter fanfiction, anime characters, drawings from imagination, and the like.

Purely fictional depictions, not involving any actual child being abused, are not evidence of a crime. Even deepfake images depicting a real person, but without their actual involvement, are a different sort of problem from actual child abuse. (And should be considered defamatory, same as deepfakes of an adult.)

But if a picture does not depict a crime of abuse, and does not depict a real person, it is basically an illustration, same as if it was drawn with a pencil.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember, the original point of the term “child sexual abuse material” was to distinguish images/video made through the actual abuse of a child, from depictions not involving actual abuse – such as erotic Harry Potter fanfiction, anime characters, drawings from imagination, and the like.

although that distinction lasted about a week before the same bad actors who cancel people over incest fanfic started calling all the latter CSEM too

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As a sometime fanfic writer, I do notice when fascists attack sites like AO3 under a pretense of "protecting children", yes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

And it's usually fascists, or at least people who may not consider themselves as such but think and act like fascists anyways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Add in an extra twist. Hopefully if the sickos are at least happy with AI stuff they won't need "real"

Sadly, a lot of it does evolve from wanting to "watch" to wanting to do

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Sadly, a lot of it does evolve from wanting to "watch" to wanting to do

This is the part where I disagree and I would love ppl to prove me wrong. Because whether this is true or false, it will probably be the deciding factor in allowing or restricting "artificial CSAM".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Sadly, a lot of it does evolve from wanting to "watch" to wanting to do

Have you got some source about this ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some actually fetishize causing suffering.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some people are sadists and rapists, yes, regardless of what age group they'd want to do it with.