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We're in the 21st century, and the vast majority of us still believe in an utterly and obviously fictional creator deity. Plenty of people, even in developed countries with decent educational systems, still believe in ghosts or magic (e.g. voodoo). And I--an atheist and a skeptic--am told I need to respect these patently false beliefs as cultural traditions.

Fuck that. They're bad cultural traditions, undeserving of respect. Child-proofing society for these intellectually stunted people doesn't help them; it is in fact a disservice to them to pretend it's okay to go through life believing these things. We should demand that people contend with reality on a factual basis by the time they reach adulthood (even earlier, if I'm being completely honest). We shouldn't be coddling people who profess beliefs that are demonstrably false, simply because their feelings might get hurt.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, you're correct. I'm a theist, but I 100% agree that magical thinking and superstition don't have a place in modern society.

The belief that a dead body came back to life and floated into the sky is delusional, and only not seen as mental illness because of its commonality.

Belief that commitment to Eastern practices will let masters hover in the air or turn invisible should be relegated to antiquity.

Beliefs regarding the unknown and immeasurable are one thing, but pretty much every popular religion involves beliefs regarding the measurable that are clearly false, and for it to be socially acceptable to hold those clearly false beliefs opens the door for other magical thinking beliefs like the idea there's lizard people in skin suits running the world or that aliens built the pyramids or that the earth is flat or that drinking magic water can cure cancer.

Society is struggling with its relationship to truth in the age of social media, and I put much of the blame on religion in fostering the environment for BS to thrive.

We really should be less tolerant of beliefs that actively deny measurable reality.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You sound more like a deist than a theist. Theism pretty much relies on a personal involved God, that's supernatural.

Unless your God never interacts with anything, in which case... How do you know he's real at all? If he does interact with you, how does he do so without supernatural means? Because if they are natural and we'd be able to test and detect him.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I always love when people come along in threads like this trying to tell other people what they are or aren't.

I'm a theist, not a deist.

I believe in a very specific configuration of the creation of this universe and its creator, and I even believe that a 2,000 year old text is revelatory regarding that nature.

The place where you are getting tripped up is that such beliefs do not require supernatural woo woo or magic if you replace them with sufficiently advanced technology.

I don't need to appeal to some mysticism to explain the creation of a universe where continuous wave functions collapse to discrete units on observation/interaction when I can point to procedurally generated seed functions collapsing to discrete units in order to track state changes by free agents in worlds we are already building today.

Similarly, I don't need to appeal to some mystic communion with the divine to explain revelatory content when the majority of those worlds we build today are filled with 4th wall breaking texts set within their lore.

The notion that one must choose between a rejection of magic or theology is increasingly a false dichotomy with each passing year.