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We're in the 21st century, and the vast majority of us still believe in an utterly and obviously fictional creator deity. Plenty of people, even in developed countries with decent educational systems, still believe in ghosts or magic (e.g. voodoo). And I--an atheist and a skeptic--am told I need to respect these patently false beliefs as cultural traditions.

Fuck that. They're bad cultural traditions, undeserving of respect. Child-proofing society for these intellectually stunted people doesn't help them; it is in fact a disservice to them to pretend it's okay to go through life believing these things. We should demand that people contend with reality on a factual basis by the time they reach adulthood (even earlier, if I'm being completely honest). We shouldn't be coddling people who profess beliefs that are demonstrably false, simply because their feelings might get hurt.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

There may be recorded history of people making claims of religious events but none with any actual evidence. You don't need to invalidate claims that were never validated in the first place.

Maybe this.. maybe that. You can claim maybe for literally an infinite number of things, but unless there's evidence or logic to follow, then it's meaningless.

If you want to believe then go ahead, but don't expect others to take you seriously. That's my biggest problem with religion. Expecting others to believe the same things you do is incredibly arrogant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe the person you replied to is just 3 kids standing on each other’s shoulders, wearing an overcoat

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Then it must be true!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I have the same expectation that others will take me seriously that I do that people will generally be kind and respectful towards me.

The grand majority will, a few won't, and in normal interactions it will never come to blows.

That you won't take me seriously is not a point I will ever concern myself with, and should we meet in person I doubt our religious stances will ever enter the interaction.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A: reports are evidence. Not conclusive but 100% evidence.
B: you can't make a claim and then demand other People are responsible for proving your claim is not true. You must do so as you made the claim.
C: the OP demanded we all take their belief seriously. no one demanded that they take anyone else's as such.
D: yes, that is the point. Expecting others to accept the OP's belief which was in no way supported outside of their declaration that it must be believed is indeed incredibly arrogant.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If someone puts a clearly empty jar in front of you, and I say there is something in it while you say there is nothing. Who is responsible for proving their point?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your straw man is not really helpful. The one saying there is nothing in the jar would need to prove it as it is an outrageous claim to have achieved an absolute vacuum in the jar.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Your being pedantic and defensive because you know and don't like the answer. I can't force you see reason so keep on living in your delusion. May it bring you peace and whatnot.