A lot of people threaten to leave Twitter. Not many of them have actually done it.
This was true even before Elon Musk’s purchase of the platform a year ago. But the parade of calamities since — cutting back on moderation, unplugging servers, reinstating banned accounts, replacing verified check marks with paid subscription badges, throttling access to news sites, blaming the Anti-Defamation League for a decline in advertising — has made stepping away more appealing, either because the timeline is toxic or because the site simply doesn’t function the way it used to.
Last April, the company gave NPR a reason to quit — it labeled the network “U.S. state-affiliated media,” a designation that was at odds with Twitter’s own definition of the term. NPR stopped posting from its account on April 4. A week later, it posted its last update — a series of tweets directing users to NPR’s newsletters, app, and other social media accounts. Many member stations across the country, including KUOW in Seattle, LAist in Los Angeles, and Minnesota Public Radio, followed suit.
Six months later, we can see that the effects of leaving Twitter have been negligible. A memo circulated to NPR staff says traffic has dropped by only a single percentage point as a result of leaving Twitter, now officially renamed X, though traffic from the platform was small already and accounted for just under two percent of traffic before the posting stopped. (NPR declined an interview request but shared the memo and other information). While NPR’s main account had 8.7 million followers and the politics account had just under three million, “the platform’s algorithm updates made it increasingly challenging to reach active users; you often saw a near-immediate drop-off in engagement after tweeting and users rarely left the platform,” the memo says.
There’s one view of these numbers that confirms what many of us in news have long suspected — that Twitter wasn’t worth the effort, at least in terms of traffic. “It made up so little of our web traffic, such a marginal amount,” says Gabe Rosenberg, audience editor for KCUR in Kansas City, which stopped posting to Twitter at the same time as NPR. But Twitter wasn’t just about clicks. Posting was table stakes for building reputation and credibility, either as a news outlet or as an individual journalist. To be on Twitter was to be part of a conversation, and that conversation could inform stories or supply sources. During protests, especially, Twitter was an indispensable tool for following organizers and on-the-ground developments, as well as for communicating to the wider public. This kind of connection is hard to give up, but it’s not impossible to replace.
The week after NPR and KCUR left Twitter, the Ralph Yarl shooting happened in Kansas City. Rosenberg says it was “painful” to stay off Twitter as the story unfolded. “We had just taken away one of our big avenues for getting out information, especially in a breaking news situation — a shooting, one that deals with a lot of really thorny issues of racism and police and the justice system. And a lot of that conversation was happening on Twitter,” Rosenberg says. Instead of rejoining Twitter, KCUR set up a live blog and focused on posting to other social networks. NPR’s editors worked with the station to refine SEO and help spread the story. Even though the station itself wasn’t posting to Twitter, Rosenberg says the story found an audience anyway because very engaged local Twitter users shared the piece with their networks. And while the station informed these users through its website, it also reached new users on Instagram, where Rosenberg says KCUR has “tripled down” its engagement efforts.
On Instagram, KCUR’s strategy is less about driving clicks and more about sharing information within the app. “Instagram doesn’t drive traffic, but frankly neither did Twitter,” Rosenberg says. NPR, meanwhile, has been experimenting with Threads, a new app built by Instagram that launched in July, where NPR is among the most-followed news accounts. Threads delivers about 63,000 site visits a week — about 39 percent of what Twitter provided. But NPR’s memo notes that clicks aren’t necessarily the priority, and the network is “taking advantage of the expanded character limit to deliver news natively on-platform to grow audiences — with enough information for a reader to choose whether to click through.”
NPR posts less to Threads than it did to Twitter, and the team spends about half as much time on the new platform as it did on the old. Danielle Nett, an editor with NPR’s engagement team, writes in the staff memo that spending less time on Twitter has helped with staff burnout. “That’s both due to the lower manual lift — and because the audience on Threads is seemingly more welcoming to publishers than on platforms like Twitter and Reddit, where snark and contrarianism reign,” Nett writes.
These strategies move publishers further away from seeing social media as a source of clicks. This could be a risky pivot away from traffic sources, given that NPR and many member stations have laid off staff or made other cuts due to declining revenues. But the social media clickthrough audience has never been guaranteed; a Facebook algorithm change this year also tanked traffic to news sites. Instead, recognizing that social media is not a key to clicks seems like a correction to years of chasing traffic through outside platforms.
There were signs of social media’s waning importance before the Twitter sale as well as predictions that the era of social media-driven news is coming to an end. But changes to X in the last year have only accelerated these trends, underlining that social media is less rewarding to publishers and less fun for users than it used to be. “The quality of our engagement on the platform was also suffering” before April, Nett wrote in a followup email. “We were on average seeing fewer impressions and smaller reach on our tweets, despite keeping a similar publishing cadence. And I know this is anecdotal, but as someone looking at the account every day, spam replies were getting much more frequent — starting to overpower meaningful feedback and conversation from audiences.” Musk’s now-retracted relabeling of NPR could be seen as a last straw, or as an open door to leave a platform that had lost its utility.
By many estimates, active daily users on Twitter/X are in decline. Not everyone who leaves does it like NPR, in a flurry of headlines and with a final post pinned to their timeline. Instead, it’s more mundane. They check less and less often, finding it less useful, less compelling. It’s not easy to decide to back away; there’s still a fear about leaving — a fear of missing out on a great conversation or a new joke. But as a platform becomes less reliable — either editorially or technically — staying becomes more fraught. And as NPR has demonstrated, you may not be giving up all that much if you walk away.
We can say the same about Reddit too. Less and less use, same way as Digg and slowly it will fade into unimportance.
I had the classic power mad mod taking their bad day out on me moment a week or so ago and basically haven’t been back.
That's been happening with power-tripping mods here on Lemmy, it's not just a Reddit issue.
Modlogs are public and I haven't seen much outright abuse, and what little questionable stuff are low level actions like removals.
On reddit you can get hundreds of your comments silently removed or just get outright banned if the moderators politics clash with yours. Almost every single one of my perm bans have been zero-warning for stupid shit, like using nazi as a pejorative or calling a racist cracker.
Regardless the stakes are extremely low since you can just make a new account on a different instance, which you don't even need to do 90% of the time because bans here are actually sane lengths and for good reason, not just outright perms over minor infractions.
My other account actually was shadowbanned, here on Lemmy, on one of the biggest Lemmy servers. I just checked. No new comments or posts I've made in the past few days are visible.
This has been happening ever since a rando from lemmy.ml got so angry with me in a post of my own creation he used an alt account to try to gang up on me.
Where he was talking to himself.
And when I posted proof he was using alts, poof, I was shadowbanned. No new posts or comments I made in that instance have been visible anywhere else since.
If that is not proof that this is just a symptom of the human condition and not isolated to any one website, I don't know what is.
We both know banning is ceremonial at best -- this right here is an extra account I had but forgot about, and it came in damn handy -- but the fact that other people would even try or work together collectively to get rid of someone they don't like bothers me. That bothers me. Since they apparently will ban people just for pissing them off, that means no server is really safe unless you own it. Even then, it can just get defederated for stupid reasons.
That's to say nothing of when a lemmy.world mod banned my old account for three days because I pointed out a bug that was still present on the site. I'll dig through the modlogs and screenshot the timestamps if you're interested. 🤦
Nah i'm not a debate pervert, i'll just take your word on it.
Yeah, that's exactly why spez tried to pin the fallout of the API change on mods: they were already very unpopular in general on Reddit.
That said, the mod log does seem to be helping. Personally, I've only used it so far to determine someone who was complaining about their post being deleted that their post wasn't as innocent as they made it seem.
But guaranteed that either now or in the future, there will be mods who only wanted the position to abuse the power, ones who didn't plan on abusing the power but end up doing it anyways, ones who make and enforce ridiculous rules, coups, failed coups, corruption, and all the other problems that go along with putting people in positions of power. The only question is how admins of that instance and others deal with it.
In Digg's case it was waning until v5 when it fully collapsed under the weight of ineptitude.
Yea Digg and Reddit aren't really comparable for a number of reasons. Digg changed their entire website overnight into something that was fundamentally different to what it was. Reddit on the other hand looks and feels pretty much the same as it has for years. Anecdotally, most people I know in my life who use Reddit aren't even aware of anything going on.
Additionally Reddit has something that Digg was never able to achieve, a huge presence over Google search results. Even if Reddit locked down completely today like some kind of read-only site it would still continue to get a ton of traffic for this reason alone.
Losing reddit archived content would have disastrous content on internet. It is one of the last trustworthy source of opinios/information left on the internet. Everything else feels autogenerated and fakewould have disastrous content on internet. It is one of the last trustworthy source of opinios/information left on the internet. Everything else feels autogenerated and fake.
I agree that it was one of the last trustworthy sources - but with the verifiable reports of posts being edited/deleted/undeleted before/during/after the whole 3rd party app debacle, and the pushshift.io ban that prevents checking to see what was originally posted (pushshift was banned in May '23) - I don't trust it anymore, and actively try to avoid it for all but independently verifiable technical stuff. It's made things more difficult, I used to count on it as a source but now I barely trust it as a starting point.
I’m finding this to be increasingly true. The Fediverse is great!
Don’t even really care what happens with Reddit. I hope Lemmy continues to improve and grow organically.
Reddit's been screwing up so much that I had to look twice at this post. XD