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There is a ton of censorship here, rightfully so. Lies must be stopped from spreading, they cause way too much damage. Most humans do not think critical enough to effectively filter out lies. This might be a inherent trait of humans. But even if we are critical enough, it is easy to drown out real information with a ton of misinformation.
The whole premise of stopping lies is flawed cause you never can stop them. The society would have to impose complete censorship of data which is firstly against all human rights and secondary everyone would have to state the unilateral truth which is utopian in it's nature. As long as there are different opinions and facts there are many shades of truth..
There aren't different facts, though. Thinking like this is part of the problem.
I disagree. Thinking like you is the problem. There is not and never can be one simple truth. If you see only one truth you are neglecting opinions, thoughts and facts of thousands more people.
Which facts are different for different people? Do you have an example?
Fact one:
Izrael is autonomous state formed by western countries after second world war to create a home country for all Jews around the world. Theirs truth is that they can keep and defend their boarders, believes and traditions as they need even if it means suppression of a minority for avoiding the ww2 crimes happening again.
Fact two :
Palestine is a region where people lived for thousands of years in peace with christians and jews and one day without asking, they are told that they are part of a newly formed state with different customs and believes. Theirs truth is that they want to sustain their tradition, autonomy and believes.
Two facts, two truths, both reasonable, both having meaning to people and they contradict each other. Point of view matters. I don't take part in this, I just used it as an example cause it's in news a lot now.
PS: I despise all atrocities which Hamas does in Izrael. Hamas does not talk for most of the Palestine people, but unfortunately it's a creation of lack of initiative of west and Izrael to solve this issue once and for all. It could have been avoided.
PPS: I'm done explaining and persuading. I don't have time for this.. If someone looks for it he will find it. Stubborn people cannot and don't want to be open minded. I wish you all good. Please, sometimes look at the world through the eyes of people you don't understand the most...
You're mixing up facts with ideological stances, but I don't think you're doing it on purpose. I think that you just don't understand what a fact is.
If you're trying to fight malaria and one person believes that malaria is caused by a protozoan and another person thinks it's caused by demons, you shouldn't give those points of view equal weight.
Censorship not from the government, though. So if someone's being a pedant, they might insist it's not "censorship" to tailor content for a platform or service.
It's still censorship, but sometimes censorship is necessary and warranted.
I agree, but the problem when it's from government is that government can define "atrocities we're doing" as "misinformation."
EU residents along with Canadians are the LAST people who should count on government continuing to be reasonable.
I agree, I'm just pointing out some obstinately adhere to saying censorship has to come from a government to be "censorship", otherwise it's just getting kicked off a platform for what ever reason.
It's relevant in some contexts since you can be silenced and the first amendment doesn't give a sh*t (as if it doesn't have its own exceptions anyways). Though I don't suppose truth in media is part of it. Otherwise the us government would already be clamping down on their own homegrown corp.