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Their disgustingly aggressive support of terrorism is because they are idiots who fall for propaganda
Or because they are aware of the conditions of life imposed in Palestine?
That 50% of the children in Gaza express no will to live? That 95% of the water is contaminated and Israel strictly controls the water supply? That thousands of civilians have been killed by the Israeli army since 2008? That Gaza functions as an open air concentration camp administrated by an openly racist apartheid state? That Israel helped fund and create Hamas in the 70s and 80s as a counterweight to the largely secular leftist PLO and this whole fucking situation is partially blowback from an effort to divide-and-conquer Palestine? That Hamas fucking chased the PLO out of Gaza, and now Hamas is essentially the only militant force left that can resist the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?
Who else is there for Palestinians to root for? What the fuck are they supposed to do? Just sit in their squalid concentration camp and raise their depressed children to be unemployed adults with no future, in a crumbling city with no concrete to rebuild itself, because a rich nation on the other side of the fence deemed it so?
And in an overseas media environment where no one even fucking talks about any of this shit, and the attack is being treated as this sudden unprovoked thing out of left field, maybe some people are going to overcorrect in the other direction out of sheer frustration?
I'm well aware of conditions of life in Palestine. Perhaps if Hamas allowed elections in the last 20 years, there would be radically different relationships there.
The elections that determine those conditions are Israeli elections. Israel prevents Palestinians from voting in those.
That is just completely false. Since seizing power, Hamas has not allowed further elections.
I welcome your citation proving otherwise, but ultimately it's irrelevant because every member of Hamas will ideally be dead soon.
I am pointing out that people in Gaza are not Israeli citizens, and the conditions in Gaza are imposed by Israel
I agree that Gaza should be made part of Israel permanently.
the Israeli government disagrees and regards Palestinians as a "demographic threat."
Same, hence the annexation.
Are you saying you agree with the Israeli government that Palestinians are a demographic threat?
Do you realize this is an explicitly bigoted sentiment? "Demographic threat" does not mean "some Palestinians are extremists." It means "Palestinians must not be allowed to become too large a portion of Israel's demographics." The Israeli government criticizes Palestinians and Arabs in general for having too many children. This is rhetoric of religious and racial dilution. There are ~9 million Israelis, mainly Jewish, and ~5 million Palestinians, and Israelis do not want to dilute their society with them.
Israel has also non-consensually sterilized thousands of Ethiopian immigrant women, not informing them of the nature of the procedure.
When people call Israel an apartheid state there's a reason for it
Yeah those people are dumb, since Israeli Arabs have full citizenship. Same as any Israeli who opposes the integration - dumb people exist. They exist in the US too, as is easily observable by anyone who wants to limit immigration here.
Palestinians as a separate country are absolutely a threat and once made Israeli, we can look forward to prolonged peace in a generation or two.
End the ease of radicalization and the problem resolves.
Lies upon lies. Even Israelis know that Netanyahu funded and provoked Islamist Hamas over the left secular PLO. It's an open secret.
This ain't a secret at all and has nothing to do with the above. It was just a shitty idea since the PLO was considered the bigger threat - which was clearly wrong.