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A set of merge requests were opened that would effectively drop X.Org (X11) session support for the GNOME desktop and once that code is removed making it a Wayland-only desktop environment.

Going along with Fedora 40 looking to disable the GNOME X11 session support (and also making KDE Plasma 6 Wayland-only for Fedora), upstream GNOME is evaluating the prospect of disabling and then removing their X11 session support.

Some concerns were raised already how this could impact downstream desktops like Budgie and Pantheon that haven't yet fully transitioned over to Wayland. In any event we'll see where the discussions lead but it's sure looking like 2024 will be the year that GNOME goes Wayland-only.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (20 children)

What's everyone's Wayland showstopper?

I'm holding out for better autoclickers/macro recorders before I go to Wayland

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Better Wine support. It's coming soon, but I prefer xorg until Wine properly supports Wayland.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

is XWayland not good enough for that?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would say Xwayland is good ENOUGH, but it's not great, my clipboard with xwayland is awful on sway, for example. It works, but not the best.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

ah, on Gnome it's relatively seamless

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I recently stopped switching to x11 for gaming. With most games, the performance is 5-10fps better on Wayland

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly, Wayland just doesn't give the impression of working well enough with everything to replace my window manager and all kinds of utilities that grew around it (or X11 in general) for a decade or two just to only notice after using it for a few weeks that it won't work with some things. It demands a huge time investment up front for questionable gain basically.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

As a multimonitor user with mixed properties, and an AMD user, Wayland has been nothing but a massive gain for me and continues to get better in equally massive strides on KDE (been using kwin-wayland for almost a full year as a daily driver now). It even improved the user experience on my surface pro that I'm running the surface-linux kernel on.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The time-investment is short-term pain, long-term profit. That's kinda our thing as Linux guys

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mine's mostly just bad electron app support for native Wayland. In theory Electron now offers full Wayland support but hooooo boy is it going to be a while until all of the electron garbage I use finally updates to a new enough version for proper support.

The other gotcha is just general client side decorations support for apps in general. I'm shocked that no one has built a small libadwaita wrapper library that implements client side decorations for apps. It's going to be ages until app developers all implement their own (crummy) CSD that doesn't match system themes at all.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can still use XWayland though, it's not going anywhere. They are only removing the ability to run a X11-only session.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, fair - they're not so much showstoppers as persistent irritations.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I play Heroes of the Storm through Lutris.
I have a superultrawide 32:9 monitor.
In X11, I can get HotS to scale past its normal limits just like I could in windows and take up a full 5120x1440 resolution.
In Wayland, I can't.
I will die on this hill.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

thy gamescope(that run on steam deck) i think it can scale, if yes, so it's an implementation issue, that need to be fixed by the compositor

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is probably the blocker for me, too. There are some other things but this one just feels amateur.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Autotype for password managers. I don't only have passwords which I use in my browser for which the plugin is fine. But other apps require autotype. And copy & paste can't be the solution for this missing feature.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Wayland is my daily driver. The only thing that annoys me is that screen-sharing on Signal Desktop doesn't work. But that is rather the fault of Signal, making the stupid decision of supporting a deprecated Ubuntu version instead of supporting Wayland fully

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I use my laptop for work presentations and running a presentation with embedded videos doesn't work on external displays.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

For me personally, none. Until around 2 years ago, it was Nvidia, for Kwin usage on desktop, but before that, I was happily using Wayland sessions and WMs on my laptops for some years

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

SteamVR doesn't work on GNOME Wayland because it's missing DRM (the thing that's needed to use the display of the VR headset)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Probably never gonna happen, given how Wayland is designed.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's never going to happen on Wayland level. It's absolutely no problem to implement this on a compositor level.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

or even lower level, they don't want people running keyloggers without admin permissions

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I found no Remote Desktop solution to be working well together with wayland. (I’m not quite sure, if wayland was the cause of the issues I had with RDP and VNC, have to test that). The proprietary Remote Desktop all show a warning that wayland is not supported. While TeamViewer does kinda work, despite the warning, it is not a very sable connection.

[–] Matty_r 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Nice 😃 i currently am a GNOME user (love the animations) but if GNOME on Xorg is no option anymore and GNOME on Wayland still does not work for me, I may have to switch to Plasma on Wayland and use this Thank you very much😇

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

ironically this is what x11 was originally built for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know if this would work for whatever your remote desktop needs are specifically, but I use Sunshine and it works really well.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

idk what desktop you're using but GNOME has that built in and it works on Wayland

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For whatever reason it can't seem to suspend my thinkpad. Everything crashes and when I open the lid I have to log in again :/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that a Wayland issue? Lots of modern laptops have suspend issues (broken S0ix sleep, missing S3, bios declaring wrong states, etc)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can only assume it's wayland causing the crash. When I run gnome45 in x11, it suspends and resumes normally, but when I run in wayland upon resume everything is gone, regardless of what was running. I've combed through dmesg to find out what's happening but it hasn't been too fruitful so far.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Lack of window manager and CSD just seems like a downgrade compared to X11, and I have yet to see anything that would be an upgrade that I care about.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

i tried rhis autoclicker https://github.com/konkitoman/autoclicker and worked flawless(just needed ticker the suders file because cargo install on .local/bin), but if someone could suggest a macro recorder i appreciate!

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