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[โ€“] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (55 children)

There are no countries with socialist policies.

Can you name a country that has workplace democracy? No? Then there isn't a socialist country out there.

Would I move to the social democracies of the world? I love norway and whatnot politically (as much as a communist can love the state of any country)... but I love having warm air and nature I can enjoy without a coat much more.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't any country with cooperatives have workplace democracy?

Norway is cheating because they have many natural resources to sell.

[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yes, they have a tiny, insignificant amount.

An entire country has to have workplace democracy for the country to be socialist.

This is kinda like saying "doesn't any country with a slice of bread have food"

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What would change if every company would be democratic?

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

To begin with, there wouldn't be an unspoken agreement between companies to keep wages as low as they can be because more than half of the companies in that market agree that the best they can do is starvation wages.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Y'know how totalitarian regimes are incentivized to be shitholes because of the keys to power problem?

https://invidious.asir.dev/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

at the very least, that goes away. But there's many more other things.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

autistic people could actually get hired

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is workplace democracy? Would love to finally hear some socialist philosophy from someone that isn't a goddamn Hexbear user.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, they're really indoctrinated by chinese propaganda, I can't stand them, and I'm a damn communist.

Workplace democracy can work a vast number of ways, and I can't claim to have figured out what the best way of doing it is, and this is one of the most contentious areas in socialist theory, but I'll give a relatively easy to understand example:

A business running democratically, instead of having a CEO who decides everything, could have weekly meetings where everyone gets together and decides what is needed, pay structure, schedules, etc, building decisions through consensus, and then falling back to a vote if people disagree, they could also work like a modern democratic republic and have the workers elect people to various positions, and then maintain heirarchy, if the business is far too large for consensus building to work.

The way a business works currently, under capitalism, is often with a CEO at the top, who controls a group of people directly below him, and so forth, this results in bad divergent incentives, due to the keys to power problem (if you're not familiar, watch this: https://invidious.asir.dev/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs ). One such example is if i'm a walmart employee, do I give a fuck if walmart does well? No. As long as they don't go out of business, i'll be paid the same, who gives a fuck how well the business does if I'm not a partial owner and have no say?

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