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On lemmy.world I posted a comment on how liberals use 'tankie' as an invective to shut down dialogue and received tons of hateful replies. I tried to respond in a rational way to each. Someone's said 'get educated' I responded 'Im reading Norman Finkelstein's I'll burn that bridge when I get there' and tried to keep it civil.

They deleted every comment I made and banned me. Proving my point, they just want to shut down dialogue. Freedom of speech doesn't existing in those 'totalitarian' countries right? But in our 'enlightened' western countries we just delete you.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (4 children)

omg i just had the misfortune of wandering into this thread, https://lemmygrad.ml/post/806853 i am so glad we have our own space where we can safely laugh at these fools. omg.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Holy shit what an insufferable group.

"Define Tankie"

Red fascist

Who defines a buzzword with a buzzword ffs.

Also! (Paraphrasing)

[...] people who justify genocides. [...]

'scuze me what the fuck? Who here says genocides are cool and good actually? We are like the first fuckers to point them out and scream about them???

And even more!

Comrade Spood

Now that's dose of Anarcho-Debilizm let me tell you. "Just press the communism button Xi and we'll succeed no problem! They will just let us exist and everyone will love each other :3"

And it just still keeps going!

Educate yourself. / Please change and grow as a person. / Read a book.

Motherfuckers I read too much compared to your sorry asses.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Educate yourself. / [...] / Read a book.

Their education:

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I refuse to believe there's actually 1.6gb of anarchist literature in existence that's not supplemented with lots of random unpublished PDFs and saved blog posts that are rife with poor grammar and spelling errors.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

It could be a bunch of breadtube videos.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"I have" doesn't mean "I've read", what a pretentious dumbass.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In the second part of this pic she tells the reader not having read any of it.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hilarious how she doesn't even have a problem admitting it's all a matter of fitting the edgy cyberpunk aesthetic of blue hair, computers, skateboards and slapping stickers around. All about individual image and no political dedication.

And I can understand listening to theory audiobooks instead of reading them, although I think it's worse as it's harder for you to re-read lines and take notes, but... While skateboarding? Can you imagine yourself attempting to make any sense of a Das Kapital audiobook while playing basketball? Probably just to be able to say "yeah i've already read it" and nothing else. Once again, all about aesthetics.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

For a lot of anarchists it's just an edgy aesthetic to use, not about political philosophy

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

So when she said 1.6GB of litterature, it was basically two audiobooks. That'll show them how litterate she is for sure lmao

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

Wow, they managed to burn all of anarchist literature into one USB thumb, that must have been hard praxis!

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Who here says genocides are cool and good actually

I say that Mao's landlords genocide was pretty neat actually. Please don't tell the libs.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

😑

I will make an exception.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

Always the 196 shitheads.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

Yeah it was torture. I tried to keep it civil and lighthearted and actually engage but they are so programmed it's almost knee jerk comment reaction at this point.

Also fun and great that so many Lemmy instances won't federate material that threatens their worldview. I mean, I'm 100% anti Nazi anti fascist and anti authoritarian but what does that even matter right? How dare I say there might be a different way to view say Cuba China Vietnam or North Korea...

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (50 children)

hmm, I wonder who controls the socialist state

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am guessing that their response would be ‘the bureaucracy’ (which would be inaccurate).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's partly because liberal westerners can see how shit their system is, see how shit their lives are or are becoming, see how much shit they have to take from unaccountable people, and then cannot fathom how people who they've been taught to see as subhuman could possibly achieve anything better. So a combination of racism and self-hatred. The only way out begins with self-reflection.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

We only know the fucked up, one sided abusive relationship we have with our capitalist governments, so we can't imagine anything different.

The only way out begins with self-reflection.

🏅🏅🏅<--In lieu of hexbear medal emojis

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

😊

Not long after I wrote this, I poured a cup of tea and picked up Stokely Speaks: From Black Power to Pan-Africanism by Kwame Ture (a name he took later, leaving behind 'Stokely Carmichael'). He writes (p. 29–30, emphasis added):

As for white America, perhaps it can stop crying out against "black supremacy", "black nationalism", "racism in reverse," and begin facing reality. The reality is that this nation is racist; that racism's not primarily a problem of "human relations" but of an exploitation maintained—either actively or through silence—by the society as a whole. Can whites, particularly liberal whites, condemn themselves? Can they stop blaming us, and blame their own system? Are they capable of the shame which might become a revolutionary emotion?

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago

"These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves. This is how these profound thinkers mock at the whole world"

My favorite Engels tweet.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

"...which is why we won't do shit, but raise a lot of stink, until communism just kinda happens on it's own."

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And I had the misfortune of not resisting to participate in it. Do not recommend.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

oh dear. I told myself i wouldn't engage. (narrator: but he engaged). Just trying to gently nudge an anarchist towards materialist analysis, i'll try resist getting sucked into any arguments for my own sake.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Like moths flying into a bug zapper: we know it will hurt, but we just cannot help it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

I mean, in the end it is kinda hilarious how hard they will push strawman arguments and just outright ad hominem attack to defend what? Their ambiguous ivvective terminology? LoL I shall call thee a spoon. You, my internet interlocutor are a spoon. Wide at the top fillable with soup or antifreeze. It matters not. You are a spoon.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

Thank you for your service comrade o9

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