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But it cultivates the desire rather than addressing it. It's complicated, but I think the danger from pulling more people in is much greater than the potential benefit of keeping hardened cases out of society.
You're arguing that sexual orientation can be trained or influenced by our media, which is the exact argument that the Conservative right has been using to ban books (and everything else). It's also an argument that has been proven groundless time and time again.
Pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation
Source? Because every medical article I've seen states it is. We're not talking post-puberty 16 year olds, we're talking prepubescent little kids.
Could you link yours? I'd rather not go digging though that stuff right now.
I'd compare it more to a fetish.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/causes-of-pedophilia
TLDR: There's a ton of potential causes, and it's an underresearched topic. There's no real way to change the preference, only deal with and mitigate urges.
But this doesn't mitivate the urges then if you want to put it that way.
Why not? I obviously don't have first hand experience, but AFAIK it's essentially porn for those with the condition. Like any other porn, you watch it, get your rocks off, and forget about it until your hormones recharge. It's a harmless and victimless outlet for them, probably the only one I can think of.
You don't get desensitized to porn over time?
Not to the point it becomes entirely ineffective. The point here is that we don't have a better way of dealing with or treating people with this issue. It's the least-worst option we have available to us.
I still don't think feeding/appeasing the problem is better than treating it and cutting it out.
I would agree with you, if we had any plausible way of treating and cutting it out. Unfortunately we don't, short of chemical castration.
You think counseling or therapy is entirely ineffective?
Thus far, counselling and therapy is almost entirely only obtained by the portion of the group that has already acted on their thoughts and urges. I think we can agree that that's probably too late in terms of harm prevention. I also doubt we have the resources to provide that sort of personal treatment to everybody suffering from the issue, at least under our current system.
But that doesn't mean we should give up
I'm not suggesting we do, that was not the point of the original discussion.
Do you have evidence that it cultivates desire? Or does it satiates urges?
Why do we even need to address it? Like, If these people live a fulfilling life and are a functioning member in society, who cares what they do at home?
I don't know if there have been studies done. I'm just speaking from my experience with a different fetish. And I would have rather not been exposed to that.
I'm sorry if you're struggling with a fetish. Anecdotally your experience and what happens differ from others. The thing is, you can choose to avoid these fetishes if you want to. On the flip side if it's illegal, you won't be cured of these fetishes, instead now be on the hook legally if you engage in it.
Nice did a great video about this. Check it out. https://youtu.be/Ky3HqvT3M8E?si=RqYHZ5EfSN5M2liw