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Defederation requests, how to? (self.meta)
submitted 1 year ago by natecox to c/meta
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Do we have an established practice for requesting defederation?

I would very much like to request that we defederate from burggit.moe (because I would prefer to keep my lemmy experience free of loli porn) and I went looking for the best way to do this, but the best I could come up with was posting to meta and that seems like the wrong place.

I feel like I missed something obvious ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] Ategon 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Currently the process has been to request it in meta since I didnt think it would be common enough to flood out other meta posts and since its meta about the instance, ill check out burggit and report back with what will happen to it (whether that be defederation, purging specific communities, or nothing)

Update: I have defederated from burggit for two main reasons

  1. They ignore DMCA requests and dont follow it. We get a copy of all of their posts due to how federation works and since this rule is instance wide it can easily apply to a new community in the future if we purge current ones. We dont have the manpower to handle other instances continually breaking the law and then us needing to deal with that with takedowns
  2. pornographic content illegal in the us, same reason as above
[–] Supermariofan67 -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I kindly urge you to reconsider this decision, as there are several communities on that instance I subscribe to and enjoy. There are plenty of SFW communities there related to touhou, music, and other topics for example.

As for 1, the instance does not seem to focus very heavily on piracy, though it does allow it. There are several piracy related instances that are arguably a larger concern with regards to this. And as for 2, although the instance does allow lolicon hentai, this material is not illegal in the US, and is protected free speech as long as it passes the same "Miller test" that any porn must. The instance does not allow or contain actual CSAM. Lolicon material, although offensive to some, is not CSAM, neither morally nor under the law.

Personally I don't care about the loli stuff. I'm not interested in it, really I'm not even interested in hentai in general and block most of the communities for it. But it harms nobody and I don't really care what people decide to look at. I just want the other communities there.

[–] Ategon 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

DMCA isnt just piracy, its copyrighted content. There are piracy communities that discuss piracy but dont provide links to the actual content (if theres some that do that link me them and ill deal with them).

Its a gray area in the US (with certain states banning it themselves) and things like the PROTECT Act existing (which is added on to the miller test, it has more than just that to follow) and due to that I would rather err on the side of caution

For a lot of those communities there are alternate communities in other instances (e.g. lemmy.world has a bigger touhou community) or separate accounts can be made

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