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Degrowth is such a fucking stupid idea. What we need is socialism. The demonic oligarchs that run the world are never going to prioritize reducing climate change. They've made that clear over the last century. There's too much profit to be made.
Worker owned means of production is the only solution. Only then can we direct the productive forces toward solving the most immediate problems that humanity faces. We've created so much productivity, but we need to guide it in the direction of sustainability instead of the profit motive.
You're conflating two very different things. You can have an equitable system of worker owned coops that still has a growth mindset and destroys the ecosystem. You don't magically become sustainable when socialism becomes a thing. Growth itself when we're bound by the resources of a single planet a problem, period.
China seems to be achieving this just fine and without the worker coop part even.
Degrowth could definitely only be accomplished under a socialist model where we aren't price gouged for food and housing. A life with less work and less disposable crap sounds really fucking good though.
Agreed, but that's not what's being advocated for here.
Degrowth in absense of socialism is nonsense but it is necessary. Lazy socialism is the way.
I agree. Once we have socialism, we can have degrowth. But none of these articles that come out about it are advocating for that. They're advocating that the working class take the hit for climate change via increased unemployment, poverty, and ultimately death.