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Two in the Star Wars universe. Jar jar was a sith, I love this one and wish they could make it canon. The other is palpatine used padme’s life force to keep Vader alive, I really wish they could’ve explained this better in the movies. And if they went this route, while dark, it is much better for the series in the long run because it really would be a pure evil moment for palpatine.
I also super love the Aladdin is post apocalyptic setting theory.
I have gone super deep in the Darth Jar Jar rabbit hole before and I am convinced this was likely the original intent of the character. I believe he was written to be a character similar to The Mule from the Foundation series.
Foundation Spoilers
The mule was a literal clown that only ever did silly comic-relief things during most of his time in the books. However, it is revealed near the end that he is actually a character that has been manipulating events the whole time and poses an existential threat to the galaxy.Perfect analogy with the mule.
Stumbles his way into being a background character; an annoyance to the main actors and the plot. Then turns out to be the puppet master all along. I love this fan theory mostly because it is the only way to make Jar Jar a retroactively tolerable character.
I think the original intent was to sell shit to kids
It’s an interesting story, but in video of him planning TPM, he very clearly intended Jar Jar as a comic relief character for younger audiences.
I’m guessing Clone Wars is closer to how Lucas originally envisioned him, but I guess we’ll never know for sure.
That is the "official" explanation. George Lucas has mentioned more than once he wanted the films to "rhyme" and it has been noticed several times that Jar-Jar acts as Yoda did in the original trilogy, when he met Luke; someone even went so far to analyse his movements and theorized is clumsiness is akin to the Drunken Master Kung Fu style.
Jar-Jar binks was a spoiled opportunity. It would have been a good opportunity to go against the public opinion and have the character morph into the real nemesis and catch everyone by surprise.
The other one for Padme dying is that she was basically going through withdrawal.
Anakin was "so strong in the Force* that he essentially, without realizing, force-pursuaded her into loving him, and between him nearly killing her and then nearly dying, thebforce influence vanished, and she lost the will to live.
Interesting theory, not sure how I feel about it.
Best I can do is a Lego game where Jar Jar appears and a little Imperial March plays (can't remember which one but I remember it made me smirk). And, while trying to search for it I found this:
There's a snip of Imperial March sounding music in Jar Jar's actual themesong, at the 38 second mark.
To me, this is some of the strongest supporting evidence there is - you can't just write off two measures of an entire coordinated symphony as a continuity error; and SW is HUGE on the concept of leit motif. For example, young Anakin's themesong also has little snippets of Imperial March - they do that as a way of foreshadowing.
100% sold on the jar jar theory. It sounds so stupid, but there's sooo much supporting evidence.
WOW, fucking excellent spot!
I write music for a living, mostly club music, a few years ago I had the idea that I'd learn to compose for video games and bought a very expensive textbook written by one of the industry bigwigs. TL;DR I probably won't be composing for video games because while I'm good at writing music, melodies etc, I lack a lot of the skills needed to write orchestral music. But what I did learn, is how complex, time consuming and expensive scoring / orchestral work is... in terms of getting a written score 'into a game' or film.
So there is no way that's an accident. That's deliberate, it's a very quick switch to a different melody that doesn't repeat. It's not note-for-note the Imperial March, but it definitely features the drums, and it's close enough. This imo is one of the most convincing pieces of evidences I've heard of so far, the others are a bit "Yeah I can see it but there could be another explanation".
Yea the musical evidence kinda blew my mind. I never studied music, but I saw a 'music of Star Wars' performance by the Virginia symphony - between each song, the composer basically gave a lecture on the themes that went into it and the concept of leitmotif. The Jar Jar song was one of the ones they played, and that little snip stood out like sore thumb, but I also hadn't heard the Darth Jar Jar theory yet, so didn't really think into it.
Fast forward a couple years, I stumble across the theory. The music wasn't in the original theory (might be in more recent iterations?), but the lightbulb fired off and I had myself a HOLY SHIT!! moment.
Even without the music, it's a solid theory, but you could pick any part of it and dismiss it as just a coincidence, continuity error, animation error etc. The music shows intent in a way none of the other examples can.
Rewatching the prequels with the Jarth Jar Jar theory in the back of my head makes such a huge improvement to his character; replace all the unbelievable dumb luck with calculated malice disguised by a facade of stupidity... and I mean, look at RL politics - malicious people play the village-act ALL THE TIME cuz it works like a charm by discouraging people from holding them accountable -- Darth Jar Jar is a believable character!
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Darth jar jar always felt like a way to fan theory around terrible writing
Of course it is. That's what makes a fan theory!
people use it to justify the idea that George Lucas isn't just an awful writer, when that's really all he is
Oh not a fan of the JarJar one but the life force one is really intriguing. Would’ve been nice to show more hints of that in media such as Rebels, Kenobi, or the comics. Vader slowly forming doubt would also help with his decision to betray him in Jedi.