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They think they're trimming the fat, but in reality all they're going to have left is gristle. There was a massive brain-drain during and after the layoff craze & project cancellation frenzy, and this is just going to lead to another wave. Andy's just trying to coast with AWS running on the shoulders of people who simply can't get hired anywhere else, or are just planning to be comfortable in their rut until they retire.
I mean it's technically possible. AWS works. Generally maintaining a well working system requires a helluvalot less talent than building it anew. So you might be right. At the same time, they could be counting on new grads not knowing the company's internal history so they could lure the top with high salaries when they decide they need to fill up the brain. Top grads armed with decent documentation and stale brain support can get to from zero to high competency in a few years. Also they might be bending the rules in parts of the company where they see strategic advantage to keeping talent.
AWS is painful, but slightly less painful than rolling your own. It's their main selling point
It's good for developing PoC where you don't need to pay much to get going. But when you're taking on a production level load it'll be better to start thinking about having an on premise setup. BUT, if you're scaling up to the point where you need to have your own data center with all of its baggage, you're better off rolling with one of the cloud providers.
This is way more true than people realize.
AWS sounds amazing on paper and their marketing material is great. Once you get into the nitty gritty though things start to feel like everything is held together with string and chewing gum. Documentation is sparse, and often outright wrong. New services are implemented constantly but there is no one to talk to who can support them or knows anything about them. Features they claim are there simply...aren't.
It does indeed work, but it's a frustrating service to use and it's extremely expensive to boot.
It's quite possible. That said, I've done DevOps in a large, in-house DC with OpenStack, another one with VMware, then Azure, AWS, as well as bare metal at mom-and-pop DCs. AWS has been the best of the bunch by far.
Yup. The core aws services are solid and fucking impressive, but the only reason most of their value added stuff gets any customers is because they use the core stuff.theye mostly horrible and expensive.
Souce:worked for aws
Aws was amazing at first and the consistent UI makes it look clean, but it is a confusing mess imo.
Azure came in and fixed some of the pain points but it is just as confusing and frustrating now. I think outsourcing the cloud still makes sense in a lot of cases but they really are nothing special these days.
Serverless was a good step forward but had the same issues now that it is up and running.
There are a ton of small competitors now that can have the same availability so the big players can gouge you less I think too.
Yeah, you've got the idea. Oh, and don't forget about offshoring entire product lines.