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Bethesda is guilty of not giving away their game for free? I really hope I’m misunderstanding what you are trying to say.
Yes.
Disappointing to see baiting from a mod.
This is not bait, I truly believe that all non-private art and information should be freely available to all for any purpose and liberating it is always a good thing. I'll leave your report unresolved for another mod to weigh in on, but I'm not looking for an argument and gave a minimal response precisely because I did not want to encourage shit-flinging.
I think your opinion is disrespectful towards artists. It implies that they don't deserve to be compensated for their work and consequently that their profession is less worthy. Why art specifically? What sets their product apart from other goods?
I assume because the topic is video games. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they are against the whole current system and would prefer a gift based economy. I don't think they are defending a capitalist system where artists don't get paid.
I see, thank you!
I'm not sure whether to agree or disagree with you but thanks for being polite about it. Sorry for calling your comment baiting but when I saw something like that that just didn't expand on anything I figured it would be. Most troll comments are like that. Say something controversial without expanding on it to encourage arguments.
In fact id consider that kind of comment to encourage far more shit-flinging than something thought out like this.
Ahaha yes I think it’s kinda suspect too. Imagine spending millions & millions on a quality title just to give it away for free?
Why would they even do that? Could they even do it? (I believe) It does not work like that :)
Seriously, I can’t imagine a world where you invest millions in a project just to give it for free. I don’t see how someone could think it’s frustrating.
For once, if you like a game and want to support the industry, buy it. Vote with your wallet.
You realize these studios operate in capitalist societies right?
What kind of a mod argues with people in their own community? 🤔
They're a user too, and they're arguing respectfully. What's the problem?
It's immature, and unprofessional. Anybody could goad a mod like that to misusing their authority, driving people away from the sub and completely destroying their credibility. Other people won't put up with it.
This isn't a job. They are a user like you who happen to also volunteer to mod because someone has to. They have just as much right to share their opinion as you do, and they did it politely. Besides, they didn't even start an argument, they just shared an opinion, confirmed it, and then clarified again; all of it in a polite manner.
They seem to have handled the situation just fine and even left the report for other mods to handle. I really don't see what the big issue is.
I suppose they could use a separate account. Mods getting into arguments with users has a tendency to look bad.
And they willingly chose to accept the responsibility that goes along with being a mod in exchange for that kind of power over others. That means they're going to be held to a higher ethical standard than regular users and are looked down upon if they argue with users openly, because to allow it is to allow them to do worse shit, like ban users for disagreeing with them or even winning said arguments.
It doesn't matter if mods get paid or not. They have to adhere to that responsibility or everyone suffers, even if you personally don't care what they do. You're just part of the problem.
Why would any of you think it's okay for mods to power-trip? Is it because you have no standards? Or you wish to do the same yourself?
It's the principle of the thing, which you don't understand because you don't have any real values.
Firstly, the one rule of the instance of the community you are commenting on is "be nice", so maybe relax on the hostilities. That user acted perfectly respectfully, and you came in calling them immature and unprofessional. Afterwards, I replied to in what I think was also a polite manner, and now you're accusing me of having no values. So if you wanna talk about no values and immaturity, feel free to look in a mirror and talk to that person. This will be my last reply to you.
Secondly, you're asking for someone who mods a community to be excluded from it. Why would anyone want to mod a community they like, if it means being excluded from it, or why would you want the mods to be people who don't like a community?
I never said anything close to even implying that, and you know that. You are simply arguing in bad faith and being a nuisance. You've created far more problems than they ever did, and it seems you're the one trying to exert some kind of power over the community of an instance you are not even a part of by implying that someone, who did not act reprehensibly in any way, should step down from a mod position, just because you've decided they should not share their opinions.
So, to reiterate: there was a misunderstanding that was quickly cleared up. There was no abuse of power. You came in and insulted someone, then insulted me, and created a huge drama over a non-issue. And now I'm done with this conversation. Have a good day.
I would say the same of you but it's obvious you're not listening. And that is entirely a you problem.
I'm a mod myself and an asshole, yet somehow I manage to not argue with my own users on my own subs. If I did, you'd be the first to call me out for being disrespectful and abusing my power, so why in the world would I or anyone listen to rhetoric from someone so disingenuous as you?
You don't care about principle or properly managing a community, you only care about the fact that what I pointed out ruffled your feathers, hit too close to home, and you don't like it.
People, above all, don't like hearing the truth. And the truth is that you are just plain wrong and don't want to accept it. Mods have responsibilities toward their users and that doesn't change just because you don't like it.
Let me tell you what you'll tell me: go outside and touch some grass, it's not that serious. Find it within yourself to accept it's okay to be wrong about something.
You must think really highly of yourself being such a good mod and all lmao.. Yet you're a shit person. That mod never said anything out of line. Get a life loser
Yet somehow I, the shit person, know how to behave as a mod better than they do, so that tells me all I need to know about them... and you.
You're exactly the kind of person whose feathers get ruffled upon hearing these words and that tells us all we need to know about you. None of it is good.
No need for talking like that. Be nice please
This post/ thread has devolved into back and forths and name calling. You can disagree with how a mod on our instance acts, however I have seen no example of a mod acting in any kind of bad way. There was no arguing. She simply shared her view point. She also said she wouldnt do anything to the report against her. I am not sure what more you want. If you ever think we are power tripping, there is a mod log for all to see. I see no use in keeping this thread open for the time being however. Locking this
I don't see it as arguing. They're just clarifying their position. And fwiw, we are all users here too. We don't have the ability to not show the 'M' by our name
That would be a nice feature. I don't always want to comment or post with my mod hat on. That said, I'm not seeing it on anyone here. Is it an instance-based thing?
I believe beehaw admins may have done some tinkering to not get it to show up on beehaw itself. But other instances still see it
Def! The shield exists for a reason. We don't need to be on all the time
Fr you're a mod, you're not allowed to be a human with feelings and ideas and opinions! Just blindly care about the community, don't contribute to the discourse!!
I said argue, not contribute to discourse.
Arguing is a large part of discord.
Projecting much? Because I am not the one not listening to reason here, it's you. It's not just about this one particular douchebag. It's the principle of the thing, that is applicable to all mods everywhere on every site.
You don't get to just decide mods arguing with people in their own communities is okay because you find one particularly likeable. You as a user have a responsibility to hold mods to higher standards to maintain the integrity of the community too, and the only one who stands to suffer because of your refusal to accept it is you.
Sounds like you ought to stop it and think about what you're doing.
The developers don’t deserve to be paid? Because that’s the crux of it, no sell no profit, no profit no workers. Bye bye studio and any future art because we all are trapped in this capitalist nightmare. Do their families not deserve to be supported for their work?
I’m struggling to understand the motivation of your comment. You seem upset that a studio that worked for many years paying many developers project managers artists etc to create this game is selling the result of their hard work and investments? Where do you think they got the funds to build their latest game? Perhaps from the previous games, content, merch they have produced and sold?
How exactly is a studio to function if they simply hand out their hard work for free? How exactly are they to hire quality people if they are unable to make a profit from their primary product, the games that the developers and artists pour their heart and souls into?
I mean, shit, yeah all information, art, everything should be able to exist without tying it to finance but that’s not the world we live in and it’s not the world these developers work in.
So… what’s your point??
I think it's safe to assume they are not fans of capitalism; I doubt they want to keep living in a capitalist system where artists and developers are not paid. They are talking about artists and developers because that's what the topic is about, but I would assume this thought stretches to all of society.
You're right, of course. I detest capitalism and while I obviously understand why people and the institutions they build operate under its rules, I see not doing so as a generally good thing. I'm under no delusions that this will bring the change we deserve, that requires actual political action. But liberating art and information is actually possible thanks to filesharing and so we ought to do so.
People seem to be missing the point about Bethesda's guilt. I know that Bethesda cannot give this game for free and I take for granted that you know they cannot, my point is that because they can't, they should not exist. I'm not a fool, I know how the world around me works and that games would not be made at this scale (but they would still be made...art LONG predates the profit motive and exists even today where no profit is to be had, and no one could possibly snuff out the human drive to make art) and am willing to take those consequences. I believe withholding art from the public is stealing from the common heritage of mankind, and so we ought to strive for a system in which art can be made and shared freely because people's needs are taken care of. And yes, I focus on art and information because it is the topic here and it is particularly close to my heart, not because my beliefs stop there.
I just want to say one more time that I wasn't trying to preach here or start a fight. I just wanted to express my sadness at this situation. That's it. I only respond because I don't like having my views misrepresented.