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Leaked Zoom all-hands: CEO says employees must return to offices because they can't be as innovative or get to know each other on Zoom::Zoom CEO Eric Yuan discussed the benefits of in-person work in a leaked meeting.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Socialization is always brought up as an excuse not to allow WFH. The thing is though, replacing real socialization with work fucking blows. Talking to a coworker to get the latest TPS report isn't socialization. It's work. The only time you do any real socialization is after work ends. And there's nothing stopping you from going out to dinner with coworkers when you work from home.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Arguably you're worse off if most of your socialization is from work. It just leaves you lonely and tired back home.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Yup, which is what they want.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know, the fact that 4 of the 5 other members on my team live at least 2 time zones away from me keeps me from socializing with them after work ends.

(I do not want to leave this job, fwiw.)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Very fair. That said, going into the office isn't going to help that.

[–] foo 9 points 1 year ago

I never socialized with work people before COVID.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So true. But personally it feels like an extension of work when I go out with coworkers. Some of them we have nothing in common, different age groups, and even different generations. The only thing in common is: work.

I like to keep it separate. Have my own friends outside of work for socialization. Work people likely never to meet my circle of personal friends.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Valid. I'm not huge on going out with coworkers either unless we click on mutual interests.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Depends on the workplace and the job in general.