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That's not what "at-will employment" means. It's an agreement between employer and employer that they agree to employment, and they both have the right to terminate for any or no reason. I have fired employees and been fired myself by employers based on this. Why use "false pretenses " when you don't have to. "You're fired." 'Why?" "Because you are." End of story.
What it looks like on paper and how it actually plays out because workers don't have the money or connections to legally fight wrongful terminations (from bigotry and the like, masked under "at will" pretenses) are very different things.
You wish your little inheriting-dad's-business crown made that decree a divine command, don't you?
What? My dad was in law enforcement, kinda. I work in facilities maintenance, not remotely inherited. But whatever you want to tell yourself.
Did you read the part where I was also fired from jobs and it was no big deal? Why wouldn't I need to fight it? Not everything and everyone is evil bigot sexist racist corporate. Sometimes employees need to be terminated for reasons beyond what exists in your preprogrammed little mind. Protected class terminations is not what we're discussing here. Take your soap box elsewhere. And have a nice day.
Your daddy was a fucking cop and you're expecting that to be the checkmate to stop leftists from dunking on you?
Suuuuuuuuuure. No connections or assistance whatsoever. Rags to riches. A small loan of thousands of dollars and a floor beneath you to help you back up when you fell.
I already think you're a liar but even if you aren't you're not painting a very pretty picture of anything but living in a bubble world of privilege and being unaware of it.
Yes, because you had a floor beneath you when you fell, you spoiled failchild. Lots of people are literally homeless when they lose their jobs, or just die because they can no longer get medical treatment for what afflicts them.
You tried to be hyperbolic there but so far you're just accurately describing yourself, if only you had any awareness of what your "I just fire people when I feel like it, I am very cool, calm, and collected" self-congratulatory statements sound like to the rest of us.
Cram yours nice and tight so your smug nepo baby bullshit stops pouring out.
You just derailed your own tough guy attempt by ending with a passive-aggressive sneer.
Wow. I hope you feel better about yourself. Clearly you need it. I have no interest in continu ing this. You are wrong about me on almost every count but I'm not interested in justifying myself to you. Go back to reddit/Twitter, please.
Your concern trolling is noted and will be given all the consideration it deserves.
But you probably will, because you want that validation in front of an audience you claim you don't care about so very, very badly. That's the plight of small business tyrants and other nepo babies: it isn't enough to be greedy and cruel; you want to be respected instead of mocked. Poor baby.
The problem is you legally don't have the right to "terminate for any reason" when it comes to a number of protected classes, but these laws make it so we have to rely on you being stupid enough to create a massive trail of evidence (easy part with small business tyrants), but also litigate it for potentially years on end - harder
You're wrong. Employers do have the right to terminate members of a protected class as long as it's not because they are a protected class.
And they enjoy the unwritten privilege of pretending there wasn't a reason that was because of prejudice against the protected class. But you're so far up your own ass that you either can't see that or you refuse to see it because it benefits you.
I fired someone in a protected class maybe a year ago. They were, by their own admission incompetent. They were also falsifying their time card. All documented. I've done the same with a straight white guy. Is that my prejudice?
Look, I know it happens wrongfully. But don't accuse me of shit that you have no basis for. It detracts from your whole argument.
Can you at least try to write out your self-congratulatory autobiographical post without it reading like it could be narrated by Patrick Bateman?
except there's a bit of a power dynamic here isn't there
There doesn't have to be. I don't see or treat it that way. Yes, my employer has power over me (I'm not a business owner). As do I over them, to an extent. But it doesn't have to be an adversarial relationship.
With you and your smug "I can fire them whenever I please whenever I feel like it and it's totally not because of personal biases or prejudice, pinkie promise" statements, it is inherently an adversarial relationship.
EDIT: Better yet, just read the room. Look at this thread. Look at everyone here who isn't a small business tyrant like yourself. Look at how adversarial it is to all of them. If you're invalidating their experiences, that itself is an adversarial take.
But that'd take leaving the bubble your cop daddy placed around you since birth.
You're delusional. Your quote is not remotely what I said. That's disingenuous, at best. Idgaf what the rest of the thread says. Many people can group together and be wrong; it's fairly common. Again, I do not own a small business or any other form of business. You are utterly clueless in this conversation. You seem like a troll and will be treated as such.
Of course you'd say that. Because, as I said, you live in a privileged bubble world.
But I think you're lying about that. You care enough to keep replying here, begging for someone to respect you and your very brave small business tyrant story.