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The scam that has passed the test of time. So scamming good, that even communists turn to it!
Are we really denying that the "Chinese Characteristics" of the PRC's "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" is Capitalism? Btw, I think the good parts of China are the socialism bits.
The CPC controls all capital in the country. They are coordinating and intervening in the economy with the goal of building a socialist society. This is very different from the US and it's client states. Capital is controlled by the bourgeois, with no obligations other than a gluttonous desire to accumulate.
I mean, some (most? Idk) of the means of production are owned by the state (ostensibly a proxy for the people, I'd rather it was more direct but the government has consistently high approval so I'll give it a pass) and those are clearly socialistic.
But there are certainly factories and what not owned by capitalists, and as that accounts for much of the production that goes on in China, and as these products are not destined to serve the public weal but rather to be sent abroad as bits and bobs to be sold and promptly thrown away as serves global capital, I really don't get the desire to not call this capitalism.
China, to me, has a very clear mixed economy with elements of both socialism and capitalism.
This was super helpful comrade, thanks for this post
I would argue that feudalism is a lot more time tested than this garbage system that even in theory is so flawed that it regularly results in global economic crises. Feudalism on the other hand has been considerably more stable throughout the centuries and whether or not you are forced to serve a nobleman or a CEO is not a big difference. So, stop getting scammed and get back to the fields, peasant.
I'm also looking forward to a viable/stable alternative. I have serious doubts that I'll see one in my lifetime, unfortunately.
You should stop getting your evaluations on alternatives to capitalism from the capitalists and their countries
There is a reason I reply to lemmygrad and hexbear people, and follow some of the communities. Sometimes I get interesting responses. Not your response, but sometimes.
There is no need to be passive-aggressive
No, but you didn't need to engage in circle-jerking with your friends either. You are capable of more, and I look forward to reading your future contributions.
If I did something worth reading about, you'd condemn it just like you do all the other socialist projects, so don't get your hopes up.
Me? I'm pretty open minded, while trying to apply critical thinking. Make a good argument, and I'll digest it. You seem to be jumping to conclusions, which may hurt your cause (edit: your ability to convince others, to the detriment of your cause)
Could you give me a slightly more specific prompt?
What on earth do you mean by that? Was it intended to disrupt the conversation with nonsense, or is there some meaning that you can explain?
You asked me to give you an argument. What sort of argument are you asking for? What conclusion am I supposed to be asserting?
If you don't have something useful or interesting to add, there is another option....
Good luck overthrowing capitalism and bring that fragile lol
There is no stable alternative. There is always going to be class struggle. Materialist conditions and human rights must always be fought for and defended, else youβre gonna lose them.
Not with that attitude you won't