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Long way home: Blamed for affordability crisis, Liberals look to pivot on housing (www.cp24.com)
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"This has become probably the most important both economic and political problem facing the country right now," said Tyler Meredith, a former head of economic strategy and planning for Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland.

"And especially given the significant emphasis the government has put on immigration and the relationship between immigration and the housing market, there is a need to do more."

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem about just hoping for the best is that there's basically no way for it to happen naturally. Without an external force to make prices fall in some sort of controlled way, market and local forces will just keep the prices rising, until they crash. And while a part of me kinda hopes for it on a surface level, a housing crash is something we really don't want.

If the housing prices crash, that means that the retirement funds of most people will simply disappear. Most people have almost all of their retirement funds locked up in their homes, with the hope that the value will continue to rise until they're ready to withdraw from the market. But if the housing bubble bursts, then you've got millions of people who suddenly have to figure out how to go from expecting to smoothly sliding into retirement to not even being close to having enough money saved up to retire before 80.

The results of this is that everybody with a home will suddenly stop buying anything but the essentials, and doing everything they can to recoup as much liquid cash as they can with what they have left, while scraping every penny they can from their expenses. It's basically millions of people suddenly just eject themselves from the economy, and we're instantly into a major recession. Everybody's working as hard as they can to save as much money as they can, but nobody's buying anything, businesses lose profits, so everybody starts to shed jobs, making people try even harder to save money, and the cycle continues.

Without a controlled soft landing, it's hard to see how we don't get into a death spiral. And if you want the best case scenario of a place where this really happened, just look at Japan with its Lost Decades. And more of a worse case, look at what's going on in China right now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I think what you say is accurate, I think the main issue here isn’t just the housing crisis being manifested, it’s the part you hinted at where our economy is so dependent on non-essential spending to keep it running. On one hand you have people overspending and going into debt to have new vehicles, RV’s, McMansions, and we have people complaining that this rampant consumerism is killing the environment because people keep spending on single-use items, or trashing otherwise serviceable items to keep up with the Jones’s. On the other hand, if that consumerism goes away, people pay off their debts and don’t buy all the new toys, then the economy and those of us in the working class section of that economy, struggle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly, it's the fundamental problem with capitalism, and while I personally advocate for a better system, it's not the sort of thing that can be put into place without major disruptions on all levels of society. Not to mention severe opposition from our allies at even the mention of such reform.

That said, the solution in the short term is to try to force people away from placing most of their money in nonperforming assets. Frankly speaking, getting the latest and greatest cars, smartphones, shoes, whatever isn't actually that much of a deal. The issue is the waste that comes from doing that so often. If all of these things actually lasted us a good decade (or 3+ for cars), it wouldn't be such a problem. Hell, we'd probably enjoy their use that much more if they were built to such a quality.

Imagine a smartphone that has a steel frame, engraved with a nice bezel pattern, and a colourfully etched backplate, strong enough that you don't need a protective case, and all its parts can be replaced by hand, or at least easily at any local repair shop? Sure, you might pay a few thousand for it, but if it's so beautiful, silky smooth to use, and easily lasts a good decade or longer, what's wrong with that? Especially if you can pass it down to one of your kids because it's still good and usable 15 years later.

I know there's software issues with such degrees of long term usage, but the thought that things might last more than a year or two has all but disappeared from most people's minds. It's sad that we're happy buying shoes that'll only last us 6 months of wear, just because you can buy it for less than the price of a week's Starbucks? I'd rather spend over $100 and get nice shoes that not only lasts me a few years, but feel good to wear and don't make my feet hurt after standing and walking around for 10+ hours a day.

On the other side, there's the issue that we don't have good ways to dispose of things. Human sorting is terrible and expensive, yet there's surprisingly little research into automating such processes because there's a lack of money to be found doing so. It takes government will to get these sorts of things done, but need awareness before the governments even start looking at such things in the first place.