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German court sends Volkswagen execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal (www.occrp.org)

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

The dieselgate scandal is why I am so disappointed when I heard that Volkswagen outsold Tesla in Europe for the number one spot since the start of the year. I have been hoping it would a more scrupulous company (and non-Chinese EV manufacturer) that took the number one spot for European EV cars sold.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Most people don’t know that it wasn’t just VW. Sadly I don‘t think you will find any moral acting car manufacturer out there.

Automakers who have been caught using a defeat device within a diesel vehicle, in a similar manner to Volkswagen include: Jeep and Ram under FCA[391] (now a part of Stellantis), Opel[392] (when under GM), and Mercedes-Benz.[393]

While not all using defeat devices, diesel vehicles built by a wide range of carmakers, including Volvo, Renault, Mercedes, Jeep, Hyundai, Citroen, BMW, Mazda, Fiat, Ford and Peugeot[48][49] had independent tests carried out by ADAC that proved that, under normal driving conditions, many diesel vehicles exceeded legal European emission limits for nitrogen oxide (NOx), some by more than 10 times, and one by 14 times.[49]

Beyond exclusively diesel or passenger vehicles, automakers such as: Hino[414] (subsidiary of Toyota), Hyundai and Kia,[415] Nissan,[416] Mazda, Yamaha Motors, Suzuki,[417] Subaru,[418] and others have been proven to be falsifying fuel economy or emissions on non-diesel powered and/or commercial vehicles.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Volkswagen was definitely had the loudest outrage but as you mention, anyone making a diesel was doing the same thing.

And to your point about morals, yeah most corporations have no idea what morals are, and some might say that's their right as a company to just focus on money, damn everyone and everything else, your health, the environment not if it interferes with my corporations profit margin.

Social contract what's that about.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think you mean more scrupulous, not less.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

You are right. I just corrected my comment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If it makes you feel any better, all brands had illegally high emissions. People only tie it to VW so much because they were the first to be tested, and they owned up to it, meaning media could call them out on it without fear of libel.

VW wasn't even close to the worst offender.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

They only owned up after lying and obfuscating for years. California said they work with manufacturers when they are out of compliance, but brought their lawsuit because VW wouldn't cooperate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Even without diselgate vw group cars are just poorly engineered rebadges. If not dieselgate, jail them for the hitler engine.