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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago (11 children)

Judas gets a bad rep. He was predestined to be a traitor. It was never his choice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (10 children)

How so? I don’t know the Bible and I’m curious now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (6 children)

Someone had to betray Jesus so that he could be crucified. Without the betrayal by Judas it wouldn't have happened. In John 17:12, Jesus calls Judas “the son of destruction/perdition” and that he was “doomed to destruction so Scripture would be fulfilled," which suggests that Judas was chosen and had no real choice in the matter.

I'm pretty sure the commonly-held view is that he had free will, that he was guilty afterwards etc, and I'm sure there are passages that support that, but I always felt he was hard done by.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's the same idea as the actual Satan in the bible who is mostly just a dude given tasks by god to tempt people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So the Devil is a good person? And it’s only you if you do what they suggest are bad?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Well that's not really in there, he is often described as an adversary. But it is notable that there are many times where he is used by god in a necessary way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting. I am thinking I should really learn more about the bible, not out of a desire to believe but more as a desire to learn.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

It's a good goal. I was raised religious but actually left dogmatic religion precisely because I read the bible, and then parts of other religious literature from other faiths.

To me, it's often too "of the times." It doesn't grow, and doesn't stand up to the scrutiny of time

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