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How so? I don’t know the Bible and I’m curious now.
Someone had to betray Jesus so that he could be crucified. Without the betrayal by Judas it wouldn't have happened. In John 17:12, Jesus calls Judas “the son of destruction/perdition” and that he was “doomed to destruction so Scripture would be fulfilled," which suggests that Judas was chosen and had no real choice in the matter.
I'm pretty sure the commonly-held view is that he had free will, that he was guilty afterwards etc, and I'm sure there are passages that support that, but I always felt he was hard done by.
It's the same idea as the actual Satan in the bible who is mostly just a dude given tasks by god to tempt people.
So the Devil is a good person? And it’s only you if you do what they suggest are bad?
Well that's not really in there, he is often described as an adversary. But it is notable that there are many times where he is used by god in a necessary way.
Interesting. I am thinking I should really learn more about the bible, not out of a desire to believe but more as a desire to learn.
It's a good goal. I was raised religious but actually left dogmatic religion precisely because I read the bible, and then parts of other religious literature from other faiths.
To me, it's often too "of the times." It doesn't grow, and doesn't stand up to the scrutiny of time
Thank you for this.
Very interesting and I would agree that based solely on this information I would say bro was hard done by.
Also, intrigued by the idea of free will if he was given this task to complete.
There are 4 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Mark was the earliest so it should be given fhe greatest historical significance over latter written Gospels
-Mark 14: 3-11
Mark seems to illustrate a clear cause and affect from the disagreements over the wasting of the oil/the anointing for a burual.
Aa common view at the time (for example among the zealots) was that the messiah would be a mitary figure who would overthrow Rome.
Hearing the oil was anointing for burial must have been difficult to hear.
Luke and John use Mark and what is believed to be an unknown Q source which has since been lost.
John is known as a gospel with very high Christology, and presents it as the work of Satan as OP already mentioned so I won't source that.
Let's compare the deaths of Judas in Mark and later Acts (same author as Luke) to get a sense of what they thought in between the earliest Mark and the later higher Christology John.
-Mark 27:3-10
Judas feels regret and hangs himself. Notice the part about the prophecy though, there's clearly a preexisting reason they want this story to tell what it tells.
Versus the latter Acts
Acts 1:18
You can see here the prophecy of "field of blood" is now being interpreted way more literally than earlier Mark and they're now in full improv mode yes anding each other into the idea that it was all predestined.
Each gospel implies something different about the story of Judas and each is interesting in its own right.
The other guy is right but this is a slightly better explanation
https://youtu.be/P4ff39ZoCC4
That was incredibly succinct. Thanks.