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As much as I dislike crypto, this is not a crypto fail story, even though the article paints it like that a few times (or at least the tone implies).
No one should have their finger servered because of other people's greediness.
These are the occasions I wish death penalty was a thing, especially for those cases where the idiots have been caught in the act - there are better things to do with my tax money than making sure they have a place to live in and some nice good meals to go with it.
Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.
So, because I can't solve one problem, I shouldn't ever try to solve a different one? I like Gandalf as much as the next guy, but their world is very simple - evil is evil, good is good and there's no place for shades of gray.
It means death is final and you shouldn't always act rashly. Gollum was a baby eater and absolutely evil.
We need more Gandalves and less Sarumen.
The death penalty doesn't work at all because the state serves capital (among other reasons). The worst offenders are never punished.
If you want the death penalty, there are far worse crimes than this. Just look at the genocide of Palestinians. Those murderers are invited to dinner with presidents.
I do understand how you feel about that and I do kinda feel the same, BUT ... you always have to assure that every last person has rights and gets acceptable treatment, even the ones who seemingly have no soul. Because if there's ever a category of people without rights, any government would have an easy way to get rid of eveyone critizing them.
Thats bullshit. Not all people deserve to be treated as people. Some are just garbage. That includes serial killers and ones mentioned in this article
And then you critize the government, get a sham trial and are marked for your crime as some kind of "garbage person" without rights. Afterwards, execution or locking away and maybe throw in some torture for the fun of it. This is reality already. It just hasn't been done to you.
You can feel about it however you want, I may even feel the same with some people, but as an adult, we have to use logic.
The point is, there must never be an official group of people without rights you can just "get rid of" im some way. This limit is not for the punished, it exists to shield the innocent.
gettt ratio'd you know not about what you speak
There's this one Nazi CEO that I hope we can agree either has no soul or at least one that we could do without. Yet we're not killing him.
Killing people is wrong and while there may be factors that make it seem more warranted, nothing will ever make it right.
Strongly disagree. If someone had killed Musk a year ago, the world would be a different place today. A better place, I think.
If someone had killed Trump ten years ago, how many COVID deaths would be avoided? How much damage to our economy would not have happened? How many hungry people across the world would still have food from a USAID shipment?
There are plenty of times it would be right to kill people. But who can we trust to make that decision? I'm confident I'm right, but I would not want to have to do it.
As a side note. A death penalty case actually costs more than a life sentence.
In the US where they decided to make the punitive system for-profit?
No. It's more that they have higher costs and it averages out around 20 years. So it's close to the average length of a life sentence except if they're young. It's only real cheap if you have a kangaroo court and just shoot people.
Of course.
While I do recognise the colloquial and unserious tone of your argument, I have to disagree wholeheartedly: Human right are universal.
I mean, it's hard. I'm not really against death penalty on its own, I think there are crimes which deserve exactly that. My issue with death penalty is how easy it is to misuse. So in a theoretical world where some perfect entity with no ability to make mistakes decides who gets it, I'm 100% in favour. In the real world, not so much.
As long as we have the option to separate and isolate, nobody deserves to be killed. The death penalty is nothing more than formalised murder, however one chooses to look at it.
Atonement and facing the consequences of one's actions during a long life in prison is a fate worse than death IMO. Even for a sociopath.
And it is false that the death penalty is cheaper than life sentences: https://sites.psu.edu/bleonard/2020/11/30/the-death-penalty-v-life-in-prison/
But above it all, while there are persons unjustly sentenced to death and found later Innocent, can we really keep doing this?
That's a very American context where prisons are for-profit companies (wtf USA?), that's why everything is so expensive. In a normal country death sentence wouldn't cost nearly as much.
The prisons that hold death row inmates are not private, for-profit companies. The numbers have been falling steadily and are incredibly low. Still a problem, because that number is high enough to have stupid amounts of influence, but it has nothing to do with death penalty costs. Those are all because we afford death row inmates a large amount of appeals, which costs 'lawyer money' where some prosecuting lawyer pretends he wasn't on a salary and they claim it's worth X hours x Y wage, and the defense attorney does the same but with a little more truth because he is getting paid by the hour.
Sure, you can call it that and yeah, it might make some people think more before being in favour of it just because it doesn't sound as bad.
But I disagree with the first part, plenty deserve to be killed, always had and always will.
In theory death penalty is exactly that - people justly decide that someone harms society too much and they don't want that person in society.
(again, note that I don't think it should be implemented in real world because of how easily corruptible people are)
No. Murder is murder. There is no rationalising one's way around it. There is no acceptable context for killing someone other than immediate self-defence, which is not the case when discussing things in terms of justice systems.
Killing is never justice.
But you know he's gonna kill a hundred people next week. Starve ten thousands people to death over the next six months. Start world war 3, and cause the death of millions of people. Those people people have no recourse to self defence, but you could defend them, right now.
Again, this is not immediate self-defence, this is something else entirely: this type of situation demands systemic change.
As a Romanian, our Revolution ended the instant the people took back control of this nation and Ceaușescu had no more power (it was obvious, because literally nobody was taking orders from him at that point). Then they shot him. Then they shot his wife. That's the point when the Revolution just turned into mob murder.
In this case, it is the people's duty to protect their collective interests, yes, but killing still isn't justified. You remove them from authority then send them on their merry way to live out their standards alone, far from the rest of us.
Friggin' children know this already, if someone doesn't play nice, you stop playing with them. Why the hell are we still debating the ""virtues"" of murder?!
I'm aware it's not immediate self defence, that's kind of the point of the question. How many people die while you work on that change? Why are ok killing to defend yourself now, but not to defend a hundred people tomorrow?
And you hope they don't come back with more people and a plan for revenge. Napoleon was sent off on his merry way. His return cost over 50,000 lives.
And what if they won't let you stop playing with then? Children know bullies, too, and know that you can't just ignore them.
Because you are unwilling to admit that some people need killing. Not very many, in my opinion. There are usually better options. But killing someone is the only way to be 100% sure that they stop hurting people.
Yeah, it's really easy to kill someone when you're locked up all day in a double-walled room, or when you're exiled alone on an island... Good thinking...
This is why our society is going down the gutter, because people are still trying to rationalise and justify the unjustifiable...
50,000 corpses at Waterloo would debate this one with you.
Yep, we're totally in those times... You do realise our methods and resources have changed immensely, right? It can be done. Your way remains and shall remain unjustifiable.
Universal but also uninalienable
Death Penalty has no justification. Expand your mind past the recitivist police state mentality before you get us all killed starting with the most marginalized kthx and byyeeeee
I dont like death penalty for the people who would deserve it because it lets them off too easy. Why should they be allowed to leave this hell in easy way while we have to remain.
And what does that achieve? Nothing. It's just revenge which is useless. If it's an easy way out, so be it. It's also an easy way away from others.
Not sure about death penalty, but having access to euthanasia both inside and outside prison feels like a better solution. Outside first, you don't want people commiting crimes just to access euthanasia.
Isn't being jailed forever also an "easy way out"? I'm sure there are people on this planet who are not in jail, but, because of too little money or other circumstances, have less and get treated worse than people in jail.
Also, if being alive really is hell to you, you might want to do something about this.
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It seems this has been unclear. By "do something about this" I meant speaking about the problem or therapy or the like. Yes, life sucks some times, but if being alive is hell for you, you got a problem to fix.
I can't think of anything humane that is worse than being imprisoned, even if you are treated well. Though I guess if you don't know of anything better anyway then maybe its different.
At least writing this made me feel better, no need to read or reply if you dont want to. I don't mean to dump all this on you, but I cant think of sensible place for it elsewhere. I'm not sure if its even good idea to post this but I want to hear someone else's thoughts about it for chance, be it you or someone else who happens to see this crazy wall of text.
If i could at least do something about things, it would be so bad but there is nothing I can do, only endure. Talking about it helps a bit, but it doesnt fix the problem. And by hell i mean slow erosion of everything until I have nothing left, not horrible suffering constantly. Its also not few big things but tons of smaller things that together make a mountain. Even if you fix one thing it doesnt remove the mountain and many things on it are things that can't even be fixed by yourself. If i could at least work towards those things they wouldnt feel bad.
I have also tried looking for help, but healthcare and especially mental healthcare is badly neglected in finland. If you can get treatment then its ok quality, but the thing is you can't because there is queue that is probably years long. It didnt even used to be like this, but our current government sees anyone who isnt rich as scum and so they cut funding to basic things while giving tax cuts to the rich. They even cut funding from programs and institutions that help people find work, so unemployement has skyrocketed too.
I guess this world feels like hell because so many things just fit into the concept for me. It doesnt feel like that all the time, if it did i would likely just kill myself or go insane and thus escape the suffering. Even if i want to kill myself I know I cant and shouldnt due to many reasons.
I can't stop caring about important things and i feel like if I seriously try its like mutilating my soul or making myself into something I hate so I cant escape that way either. Also the way I am is also making me suffer, i think. Intelligent enough to see the problems but just stupid enough to not being able to do anything about them but not enough to try anyway.
I can't do anything about those things because its like society itself has been structured in such way you can't affect anything by following the rules and if you try it by not following the rules it doesn't work either and just makes things worse. Best I could do is find someone else trying to do something and try support them, but I can't find anyone and dont know where to look. I can't even tell if its me who is crazy for caring or everyone else for not wanting to care about anything. I know I can't fix world's problems but doing at least something towards fixing them would be enough for me but I cant do anything alone that feels meaningful enough.
I know my problems aren't even that bad especially compared to many other people. I also know some are my own fault, be it either mistakes or just not putting in enough effort. I dont really even know why i cant find the energy and motivation for many things or how to improve that.
I didnt want to go into specifics so there are a lot of other things not mentioned
I have tried to improve things like starting to go to gym, sitting less on computer and going to different groups to be more social, so maybe that will start helping. I also really should try to look for ways how to help other people since good way to help yourself is to help someone else.
But ultimately even all that feels like just enduring by making oneself feel better about things.
I have written similar things before and just deleted the whole thing. I guess I can just delete it later if it turns out to be bad idea. I just dont want to be silent about it all again. Its also going way off topic from the main thread, but at least I enjoy reading other's off topic conversations here so hopefully its not that bad thing.
But not like that, please, there are usually other options.