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You coudn't even get the documents to vote in time as the government surely doesn't use DHL Express, and DHL Express also doesn't cover a lot of places.
And it effects anyone that moves abroad temporarily for more than 180 days.
But anyways, I have the feeling that it is pointless to discuss with someone that is openly suggesting anti-constitutional and borderline racist things here.
What is Borderline Racist about my comments?
I don't think people should vote, who don't have to face the consequences of their vote.
It's the same things with Turkiye which citizens don't want Erdogan, but most Turkish Citizens living abroad vote for him. In Hungary and other autocracies it's the same thing.
I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state.
But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That's how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about it
The old citizenship laws left millions of people who were born and raised in Germany, who went to school here and who pay their taxes here, and who have never had a home other than Germany without equal rights. So saying you oppose the reforms that finally allow these people to fully participate in our society isn't a great look.
I also wrote that I want a fast path to citizenship for those people, I just said I didn't like the part of the reform where you don't have to give back the citizenship anymore when you pick up another
You said that dual citizenship shouldn't be allowed. Do you think that someone applying for German citizenship should be forced to renounce any other citizenship in order to receive a German one? Because that's what the law used to be. And many people had and have reasons for not wanting to give up their original citizenship that went beyond the sentimental (not that pure sentimentality is not a valid reason).
If it's possible, Yes. I also think the old exceptions were sufficient.
https://www.integrationsbeauftragte.de/ib-de/ich-moechte-mehr-wissen-ueber/einbuergerung/ausnahmen-in-denen-sie-ihre-bisherige-staatsangehoerigkeit-behalten-koennen-1865126
German citizen are german citizen. There are no second class German citizen with lesser voting rights. Suggesting otherwise is clearly unconstitutional and about on the same level as AfD "remigration" plans, especially when you explicitly mention holders of two passports that typically tend to have an immigration background.
If you want to die on that hill, then I guess that's your opinion.
But if someone emigrates to Switzerland or the US to make more money and pay less taxes and becomes a citizen there, I think it's fair for them to return their German Citizenship and don't have a say anymore in how this country is run
What is not fair in my opinion is making decisions without having to deal with the consequences
Comparing this with Remigration Plans is completely out of place in my opinion
Right, because there are a few rich people that probably don't bother to vote anyways, we should strip a substantial part of the German citizens of their voting rights?
That's the majority destination of Germans emigrating, according to the German Statistical Office
I wrote living abroad permanently. So yes, if you moved abroad permanently , and picked up another citizenship actively, yes I believe you shouldn't be able to vote anymore in Germany.
The majority of German dual citizenship holders are not the ones that live abroad though. They are ones that actively picked up the German citizenship and live in Germany.
And as I said, this type of voter suppression primarily effects German citizen that temporarily live abroad and do not have any other nationality.
I never objected to them participating in German Elections. I objected to people voting in Elections where they don't face the consequences.
But I still think they should renounce their old citizenship if possible (If your country doesn't allow for it like Iran or Argentina then you obviously need an exception to this rule)
It is irrelevant to German citizenship and voting rights what other countries consider to do about their nationals living abroad. But most luckily agree that suppressing these votes is undemocratic and counter producive as these people usually still have a strong connection to their contry of origin and are directly involved with it in multiple ways.