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[–] [email protected] 50 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

As a Canadian you can't trust anything coming out of the Musk /Trump White House. Us in Canada no longer consider them friends.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

They're threatening daily to take Canada by whatever means necessary. That's not an ally, that's a threat. Canada needs to protect itself, and the British people are quite right to back Ukraine. Trump is working with Putin to hand Ukraine to Russia. Russia will not stop its ambitions there and it is a threat to all of Europe.

Yesterday Trump threatened to pull US troops out of Europe if the EU did not agree to his and Putin's plan for Ukraine. It's a very clear threat: give Ukraine to Russia or we give you to Russia. Of course the USA in its current state would not defend Europe anyway. To me it looks like the plan is for Trump to seize Canada, Greenland, Panama, etc., while Putin grabs as much of Europe as he can.

Under these conditions what is NATO? Trump is deliberately destroying it.

So the UK, Canada and Europe need to stand firm against the alliance of the USA, Russia and those European countries that have gone over to fascism. The very existence of our countries is at stake.

And watch out for the far right at home, in the UK, Canada and Europe. Their loyalties do not lie with their countries, and they're being bankrolled and supported by powerful people internationally.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Under these conditions what is NATO?

Already-preexisting integration of most EU armies (and the rest aren't completely out of the loop) as well as Canada Turkey, Norway, and Iceland.

The long and short of it is if the US should bail out of NATO what is left is an absolute behemoth of a force with severe shortcomings in power projection and strategic airlift capacity. The latter only until Ukraine is admitted they have Antonov. Not sure whether we want much power projection but the lift capacity is a shortfall. On the upside we have more than enough stealth subs to stop others from projecting with aircraft carriers.


From the US side, strategically, this is just a self-inflicted wound: There's a couple of US soldiers in Europe as part of tripwire forces, relevant politically but not in combat terms, the rest is there to project force into the middle east. They'd be giving that up, I wonder what Israel thinks of that. The US would not have been capable to do Iraq or Afghanistan without European bases.