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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As an endnote, human race isn’t real. Perhaps this applies to dog breeds as well, which one commenter noted but you just dismissed it and threw a bunch of slop articles at them instead.

Humans have never undergone countless generations of intentional selective breeding devoid of personal autonomy. There is no reasonable comparison between the constructed human concept of "race" and the undeniable reality of dog breeds as crafted through selective breeding, and everyone should be extremely wary of any attempts to ever conflate the two.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Humans have never undergone countless generations of intentional selective breeding devoid of personal autonomy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_breeding_in_the_United_States

Yes..."never..."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, I'm aware that evil exists, but it is still nowhere equivalent to the selective breeding of dogs. There are entire oceans of nuance that separate the particulars of the two (note: nuance is not justification and I have absolutely nothing but complete condemnation for slavery and this sort of human rights violating experimentation; this is evil) and even if you disagree with or choose to ignore that the sheer scale is still so astronomically different as to render any comparison entirely invalid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Just saying, "never" is pretty strong language when it happened for a few hundred years at least and could have happened to other enslaved populations throughout history that we might not know about as well. Just the existence of the few hundred years alone disproves "never" though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Because it's contextual. The point is that comparisons between human races and dog breeds are almost never (I hope you appreciate the caveat I made for you here) brought up in good faith ways, and are almost always used disingenuously or to evoke emotional response to manipulate the conversation inernestly.

Can you pedantically pick at the statement? Sure, but not without willfully ignoring the greater point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If anything, trying to paint this as just "bad owners" is the more race essentialist version of this argument. That argument attempts to place blame on people who own them over the dogs themselves, who likely happen to skew towards lower income folks which implies a race skew as well. But, a "bad owner" would do a lot less harm with a Lab or even a Chihuahua than they would with a pit bull.

It's not just bite strength or temperament, it's that these dogs are intentionally bred to go for the kill when their fight instinct is triggered. Nobody sets out to be a bad owner, or believes they are one, and other breeds don't kill when they bite regardless of who their owner is. Eliminating "bad owners" isn't really a problem that can be solved to reduce dog bite statistics, at least without specific regards to breed, because it is specifically this breed with those "bad owners" that is the issue.

It's a deflection. Dare I say, it's projection.