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US should not have made concessions to Russia over Ukraine, says German minister (www.theguardian.com)

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Germany’s defense minister, Boris Pistorius, criticized the U.S. for making concessions to Russia before peace talks, particularly ruling out NATO membership for Ukraine and accepting territorial losses.

His concerns were echoed by France’s defense minister, Sébastien Lecornu.

Trump’s recent call with Putin sparked European opposition, with key nations reaffirming their support for Ukraine’s sovereignty.

The Kremlin welcomed Trump’s stance, while Ukraine maintained its NATO aspirations.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I've lived in the US before (I am Ukrainian, living in Kyiv) and the impression I get is Americans are taking their current position for granted.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I have met so few actually interested in our own politics, let alone what is going on half a world away. It is very disappointing.

I'm not one to promote fighting, but Russia coming into Ukraine and being 100% in the wrong was a chance for us to do right and actually support the right side of a conflict and really strengthen relations with our allies and deal a blow to a long-time antagonist. It seemed like a thing we could do with no way of coming out of it badly. I wasn't keen on sending things like cluster munitions that have bad downstream effects, but otherwise it seemed we were sending you things we had but no longer needed, but you all were in crucial need of. The media framed it in dollar figures of aid being sent, which I feel did a disservice with people's lack of understanding here. It was money that had been spent decades ago, but people felt like it was coming out of their pockets now instead of it being bad economic policy in the present.

Now though, we seem to be taking shots at our allies and preparing to buddy up to our longtime rival so the president can finally get his Moscow apartments built and twist resources out of a beaten up ally for what his fans we feel that you guys "owe" for us helping you out and ignoring you to make peace with your invader. I don't think we could have made a better new friend than a restored Ukraine, and it would have put us in a good light with the rest of Europe, as if Ukraine compromises in this whole affair, I think that extends more danger to most of Europe, especially other former Soviet states.

If we end up screwing you guys over, I think this will go down as a huge blunder in history, and I don't think it will take long for the US to feel repercussions, as I don't see us getting much useful from an unofficial alliance with Russia, and it will ruin our trust with every nation, especially throughout Europe, unless they keep going hard to the right as well, in which case, I don't look forward to those alliances either. This all seems negative for us now here, and I feel terrible that your country is being treated like this by our government. I felt our nations were really on a great path until the election.

I and everyone I associate with still want you all to succeed. I think what is going on between you and Russia is going to have a huge influence on the whole world in the near future, and I'd rather you get back what was taken from you and end this war successfully than for my country to reap any benefit from the aid we lent you. It should have all been to do the right thing for our friends. If it wasn't, we deserve the treatment we get from the rest of the world. It will be bad for us, but there has to be a price for stranding an ally.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Thanks for the kind words! We have to collectively makes the most out of a bad situation.