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This is apples vs pears with 2 languages that make them sound similar.
Ai is a technical domain of computer science. All machine learning is AI here.
But Ai is just short for artificial intelligence and those are 2 normal words with their own meaning and can be used literally. Llms are artificial, they can so some clever things. But is it intelligent? There is lots of subjective room here.
Smart foto filters are fighting a very uphill battle to be considered intelligent.
This is different from AGI which is on par with human intelligence, in practice i don't believe many humans will consider something intelligent until it surpasses themselves but thats besides the point.
I hope that I'm understanding you correctly: You're asserting that I, as a computer scientist, am using the term "artificial intelligence" as technical jargon, while the common public uses it a different way.
I will accede this point. However, it is, in fact, a CS term and that's that appropriate way to use it. The public is wrong and I'm not interested in using the term their way instead of the technical way.
That is exactly what i meant, and can definitely respect your position on it. But i hope you are aware that as AI systems go mainstream you may encounter this communicative disconnect more frequently and as the person who knows the proper usage you are better equipped to bridge the gap with the general public then they are to understand the technical meaning.
Calling it wrong is a bit harsh though, in my experience language is a subjective ever evolving construct. The correct way to use language (in my opinion) is whatever way that gets the point across to any listeners.
According to most dictionary definitions for "intelligence" the bar is quite low for a system to be considered "intelligent"
I am often very specific about the meaning of some words myself, however in this case i doubt a textbook definition will do.
One can write entire books on what intelligence is and still only scratch the surface.
Words like “reason” and “understanding” are massive on their own.
Same with something like conscious. We do not understand it well enough for any definition to fit.
When people dismiss Ai as not intelligent they are not using a dictionary metric of checkboxes to see if it is or isn't intelligent. They weigh it on their own subjective understanding of intelligence.
To give you a specific example.
I call them “ai” because i have the technical background to understand its field of Computer science but i don't consider llms like claude or o3 at all intelligent.
I do consider them smart, clever and even knowledged but i personally put the bar of intelligent reasoning at a more conscious awareness of its surroundings close to emergent desire for self preservation. An example (but not necessarily) would be demonstrating a continual emotional experience.
I think that a good definition for consciousness is the subjective experience of it feeling like something to be. It's the fact that there's qualia to existence. I don't see a reason for why we would need to solve the hard problem of consciousness in order to define a term we use to describe it. As far as I know we don't understand gravity either but everyone still understands that term.
I don't think real consciousness is required for my own standard of intelligence. I also consider consciousness without intelligence but agree they are often related. I mostly gave it as another example of something that we ourselves are not intelligent enough to have an absolute definition for.
Please dont get me started on gravity. Your poking an nest of autistic bees with that one. I have very strong feelings about it being labeled a fundamental force (which means it cant be explained as emergent from a more fundamental something) yet we all know the gravity “effect” as i have dubed it is caused by the curvature of spacetime.
“Spacetime” somehow not consider a fundamental force, but we have 2 types of radiation to both make the list.
Omfg you started it now.
Electromagnetism is emergent of quantum stuff. Quantum is not a fundamental force. Electromagnetism is. Aaaargh
Science is in shambles and a fucking joke (/s)
No, I don't think consciousness is necessary for intelligence either. I just couldn't help but comment on that because as a subject it's close to my heart.
Same <3