this post was submitted on 11 Feb 2025
546 points (98.1% liked)
Technology
63082 readers
3522 users here now
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related content.
- Be excellent to each other!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
- Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.
Approved Bots
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
You literally cannot escape these companies, they own everything. Every brand of every everything, and you've got a large corporation in there somewhere in the shadows. That's why they tell you to separate the art from the artist, because it's been made impossible to boycott anything.
Really? Maybe true for things like Nestlé but I don't use any of these services directly and it hasn't been difficult.
Chances are you‘re using AWS by Amazon daily and likely use an Apple or Google phone too. I personally don‘t think Paypal is worse than those. It‘s sheer impossible to escape them without ditching the Internet altogether.
Yes. But was talking about PayPal brands specifically. Let's not forget musk's involvement with the early days of PayPal. That's always been a turn off for me too.
You can choose a different service for your own hosting needs.
The same is true of PayPal. I've been banned for years (not sure why, maybe my account was compromised?), and it's never been an issue, I just pick a different payment method. I use Venmo occasionally, but Zelle also works for most uses, or I can bring cash or a check.
I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I only have a single payment option.
But you can't pick what others use for hosting, and the majority of big corps use AWS. At least that's the nudge that I think they were getting at.
True, my point is to focus on things you can control.
Isn't Venmo owned by PayPal?
Edit: Oh shit, duh. Totally forgot what thread I was commenting on.
Nestlé is easy. I didn't know the last time I bought something from them.
Exactly.
Nestle owns....
Gerber NaturNes Cerelac SMA Nutrition NAN Alfamino Alfaré Althéra Ascenda БЫСТРОВ Beba Bobo Frut Ceregrow Cognita Gold Excella Gold G-Balance Good Care Illuma 3 Lactogen Lactogrow Lactokid Little Steps Folgemilch Materna Mater-Plus Mio Mucilon Nangrow Nanlac Nativa NatureNes Neslac Nestlé Junior Nestogen Nestum Nidal Nidina Ninho Opti-Lac P’tit Piltti Promise PE Gold S-26 Sinlac Yogolino Bottled Water Nestlé Pure Life Perrier S. Pellegrino Acqua Panna Vittel Alaçam Aquarel Buxton Ciego Montero Contrex Eco de Los Andes Erekli Essentia Glaciar Henniez Hèpar La Vie Levissima Minere Nałęczowianka Nestlé Splash Sanbitter Sta. María Valvert Viladrau Κορπή Cereal Fitness Nesquik Cereal Lion Chocapic Bar-One Box Bowls Cerevita Chokella Cini Minis Clusters Country Corn Flakes Curiously Cinnamon Estrelitas GoFree Cereal Golden Morn Golden Nuggets Honey Gold Flakes Honey Stars Koko Krunch La Lechera Flakes Lifita Mix NAT Nesfit NesPlus Nestlé Musli Neston Oats & More Snow Flakes Uncle Tobys Zucosos Chocolate, Cookies, and Confections Kit Kat Toll House Smarties Quality Street Aero Rowntree’s Garoto Orion Cailler After Eight Damak Allen’s Lollies Alpino Amor Animalines y Saladitas Anticol Baci Balaton Bananita Dolca Baolu Baton Besos de Moza Big Turk Boci Bolero Bombones Surtidos Bon Pari Bono Bros Buon Natale Caja Roja Calipso Caramac Carlos V Chambinho Charge Choclait Chips Choco Crossies Chokito Coco Classic Cocosette Coffee Crisp Cremositas Crispy Shark Wafers Cui Cui Deli Dois Frades Dolca Doré Ecuateur Extrafin Familiar Negro Fox’s Freskas Fruitips Fun Fruit Galak Hašlerky Hsu Fu Chi Joe Jojo Комильфо Kaštany Kofila Lanvin Larín La Fête Chocolat Lentejas Lentilky Les Recettes de l'Atelier Lion LZ Mabel’s Wafers Mackintosh’s Margo McKay Menier Milkybar Mini’s Mirage Modré z Neba Morochas Munch Munchies Mypa Negresco Nescau Nesfit Nestlé 1927 Özel Serisi Nestlé Amor Nestlé Mio Nestlé Muecas Nestlé Sal Nestlé Snack Nestlé Turrón Nestlé Vainilla Nestlé Zoologia Nestlé Nuts Passatempo Passions Peppermint Crisp Perugina Ping Pong Plaistowe Polo Prestígio Princessa Россия щедрая душа Ricas Sahne Nuss Samba São Luiz Savoy Sfinx Soothers Sorrento Studentska Sublime Suflair Sundy Super 8 Susy Svitoch Talento Tango Tex Toffee Crisp Toffo Tola Toronto Trencito Triangulo Turtles Yes! Yorkie Coffee Nespresso Nescafé Nescafé Dolce Gusto Coffee-Mate Starbucks Coffee at Home Seattle’s Best Aguila Bonjorno Blue Bottle Coffee Bonka Bracafé Brite Buondi Café Musun Cremora El Chana Linde’s Orzoro Presto Sical Zoégas Culinary, Chilled, and Frozen Food Stouffer’s Hot Pockets DiGiorno Buitoni Tombstone Pizza Lean Cuisine Sweet Earth Maggi Libby’s Pumpkin Chambinho Chamyto Chandelle California Pizza Kitchen Creme de Leite Crosse & Blackwell Delissio Pizza Del Monte Frozen Bars Farinha Láctea Gourmet Grego Hälsans Kök Haoji Herta Hirz Jack’s Pizza Leisi Life Cuisine Lindahls Litoral Longa Vida Mahler Mezeast Milk Pak Mivina Nestlé Baker’s Choice Original Wagner Pizza Outsider’s Pizza Company Pak Fook Pasta Italiana Raita Solis Thomy Torchin Tostines Totole Wildscape Food Winiary Dairy Carnation Nido KLIM Svelty Amanecer Anchor Canprolac Cap Nona CereAvena Crema de Leche Dairy Farm Dancow EasyWhip El Mundo del Dulce Esencial Every Day Gloria Green Butterfly Ideal Impulso La Campesina La Laitière La Lechera La Vaquita Lactalis Leche Condensada Manjar Media Crema Table Cream Milkmaid Moca Molico Nespray Nestlé a+ Nestle Omega Nestonutri NesVita Nutri Rindes Quesos Nestlé Rica Chicha Sunshine Sveltesse Qué Rico Yogu Yogu Drinks Nesquik Nestea Ovaltine Milo Abuelita Bolero Brasa Caro Chococino Chocofans Choladi Chuckie Copacabana Ecco Eko Fruita Vitals Gingerino Good Host Granko Huesitos Le Chocolat Morelia Presidencial Natura Nescau Nesfruta Nespray Nestlé Hot Cocoa Nestomalt Orchard Pensal Ricacao Ricoré Salep Savoy Schokolade Sıcak Çikolata SPECIAL.T Sweet Leaf Tea Company Tonimalt Vascolet Food Service Chef Chef-Mate Bear Brand Docello Fruit Time Grown Respectfully Minor’s Milky Time Nature’s Heart nesQuino Procafé Puljonki Sjora Starbucks by Nescafé Dolce Gusto Sunkist Beverages Sunsational Trio Vitality Health Care and Nutrition Boost Optifast Peptamen Novasource Arginaid Benecalorie Beneprotein Betaquik BrainXpert Carnation Breakfast Essentials Celltrient Clinutren Compat Compleat Diabetisource Douglas Laboratories FDgard Fiber Choice FiberMais Fibersource FruitiVits Garden of Life Glutasolve Glytrol IBgard Impact Infasource Isosource Klean K.Quik Meritene Microlipid Minami Mixxpro Modulen ModuLife Nature’s Bounty Nestlé Wellness Nutren Nutrição Até Você NutriStrong Nuun Optisource OptiFibre OsteoBi-Flex Persona PronoKal Pure Encapsulations Puritan’s Pride Quick Eze REMfresh Renalcal Renutryl Replete Resource Solgar Spoonfulone Sondalis Sustagen ThickenUp Tolerex Vitaflo Vital Proteins Vivonex Wobecare CBD Wobe-Mugos Wobenzym Ice Cream Dreyer’s Häagen-Dazs Mövenpick Nestlé Ice Cream 8Cubes Aiskrim Tradisi Antica Gelateria Del Corso Baton Bilz Pap Centella Chamonix Chocolito Chomp Cola de Dino Cola de Tigre Crazy Crocante D’anafria Danky Dis Frutt Drumstick Egocentrico Eskimo Especialidades Napolitano Extreme GOODNORTH Kriko La Cremeria La Frutta LollyPop Mat Kool Maxibon Mega Parlour Prestigio Pura Fruta Real Dairy Sensação Serenata de Amor Scoops Sin Parar Stalden Sundae Swirlz Trululu Zoorpresa Pet Care Purina Purina One Purina Pro Plan Alpo Cat Chow Dog Chow Fancy Feast Tidy Cats Friskies Beggin’ Frosty Paws Adventuros Bakers Complete Bella Beneful Beyond Bonzo Busy Chef Michael’s Canine Creations Darling Dentalife Dogui Doguitos Doko Felix FortiFlora Gati Gatsy Gourmet Honest to Dog Kit & Kaboodle Kitten Chow K-Nina Lily’s Kitchen Luv Merrick Pet Care Moist & Meaty Mon Petit Perrarina Prime Scamp SecondNature Supercoat Terra Canis The Pioneer Woman Dog Treats Tom Poes Trekker’s Whisker Lickin’s
They own the city of Toronto? Explains much I guess
I was indeed afraid about Ovaltine, which I like and have in my house right now. But it turns out it is only owned by Nestle in the US and by another company in the EU. So I'm still good and still successfully avoiding Nestlé :)
I have none of these in my house, many by conscious choice. It has made no difference in my life. I challenge everyone to do the same. It’s really not THAT hard.
And they print Nestlé on most, if not all, packaging. So it's easy to see. Your comment has horrendous formatting, so I'm not 100% sure if I got everything, but most of the brands I haven't even heard of, probably because I just don't buy that much processed food.
So yes, avoiding Nestlé is easy if you are paying just a little bit of attention while shopping groceries.
That is only the main nestle products. They own so so many things that do not have the nestle brand name on them.
Yeah, I copy pasted from the Internet. Anyone who actually cares can look it up. I just thought it was fun for effect.
Didn't actually know about Aqua Panna, that's the only one I occasionally consume when going to a fancy Italian place where this is the default when ordering still water.
I'd say a good 90% of the rest is completely unknown to me. All the rest that I do know seems to be overprocessed junk food that's easily avoided by buying fresh ingredients exclusively.
To the point of this post, do you know just how many subsidiary brands nestle operates? Likely true that you didn't know the last time, but very likely you have patronized them.
You don't buy any soda or water?
I do, but they don't own Coke. And my tap water comes from my tap.
Coke isn't much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HFZ3cH1UAI
Gosh I'm jelly though, I'm in the UK and tap water used to be drinkable, but now it's more hydrocarbon than hydrogen dioxide these days. Joy of privatised utilities eh?
Disagree, haven't touched PayPal or anything related to PayPal in years without issue.
When PayPal bought Venmo I stopped using them too. And long before that stopped using Ebay back when PayPal/Ebay were tied together.
Eh, I don't even care who owns PayPal, I avoid it because it's annoying. Zelle is less annoying because it's through my bank, but I honestly just want regular ACH.
I work in a servo/convenience store and about 3/4 of our drink fridges (all 10 or so doors worth) are the same 4 brands. Probably most of the store is covered under like 7 brands.
Coke, Pepsi, Schweppes, Nestle, Unilever and there goes almost everything edible and drinkable that isn't fresh.
Now here's the scrubber of this all -- If you REALLY want to be serious -- Go to a farmers market.
Oh wait, almost every fucking farmer is a Trump supporter...
I'd rather support a working farmer than an evil corporation
Well obviously - me as well - but I'm being told by extremists here that any support for a Trump supporter makes me a Nazi, and I don't want to be one of those.
Fairly accurate.
Why would you let an extremist dictate how you live your life? First, just do the right thing. Second, by labeling them an extremist you are acknowledging that they are not the normal, not the majority.
Most of the rural people (including many farmers) just want change. Sucks that they fell or are still falling for the bullshit. But many farmers aren't Trump loving conservatives.
Support your local farmer. Have a conversation with them. Maybe you might actually understand each other and make a difference together. This is far better than giving the giant corporation your money and hoping they do the right thing with it. They won't.
You don't even need to support a Trump supporter to be a Nazi, you just need to mention something not great about his main competitor.
I've never voted for Trump in my life, and I even held my nose and voted for Biden in 2020. I didn't vote for Harris in 2024 because I realized Trump would win my state by 20+% regardless, so I might as well support a third party.
So I guess I'm a Nazi. Well, it was a good run, I guess I need to go punch myself in the face because that's what I do to Nazis...
Oh yeah, I've seen my fair share of it. People here pretend that they're only calling these huge incidences Nazis, but you're exactly right. All you have to do is move a little out of line, and you're eaten by your own.
Large corporate farmers maybe (you've provided no support to your claim). In my experience though (a decade in fine dining, with direct relationships to many market farmers) there are more small farmers without their heads up their asses. They understand how they are being fucked with water rights, climate change and no right to repair. While nobody is doing enough on these things currently, they recognize that trump is gasoline on the fire that disrupts their lives.
A lot of them, sure. Not all of them.
not for long, it seems...
I can easily avoid every company owned by PayPal.
I wish I could say the same, I use PayPal very frequently because my credit union doesn’t support debit-visa. With PayPal I can make payments with my bank online rather than use my cc.
Ah that's interesting, all the banks around me stopped issuing ATM cards and only issue debit cards nowadays. I wish I wasn't required to have a debit card with those banks - I purposely tell my banks to disable debit/POS features on the debit card so it is only functional at ATMs.
All that aside you should consider getting a credit card or a prepaid credit card for those types of transactions. It's safer to separate your bank account from your day-to-day payments/shopping, not great when someone gets access to your debit card which then gives them direct access to your bank account balance. At least with a credit card those situations are just a dispute that never affect your actual money in the bank.
And use what? Mastercard? Visa? Your local bank institute?
All are deep into shit of gambling our money (financial speculation) for profit.
I don't care if companies speculate or if they make a profit.
Well...I don't see any interests arriving on my end. At best maybe 0.25%
Meanwhile 2nd yacht or whatever.
You can get much better rates if you are willing to lock your savings in for at least few months. Short term treasury bonds are 4-5% right now.
And if I don't like Visa or MasterCard, I can use Discover or American Express. In fact, I don't like MasterCard (got caught sharing data with Google), so I switched to other cards (probably just as bad, but it's about sending a message).
I just finished removing all my payment methods from paypal and have to wait for a transaction to complete before I can delete the account entirely. Took less than 15 minutes.
Who are "they" and who says that that is valid advice?
"Separate the artist..." is fairly accepted by any decent people I know as a way for selfish people to forgive themselves the burden of minor personal sacrifices related to their own consumer activities. The long form is literally, "Yes, Michael Jackson did horrible things to that little boy's butthole, Woody Allen molested his daughter and married his adopted child and Bill Cosby drugged and raped women for decades, but let's go buy their movie/album!" - you likely wouldn't say the long form through, would you? You would hide and obfuscate behind, "sepatate the artist..." So you don't have to say the bad things out loud.
Nobody with any integrity buys into "separate the artist..."
Also, to your point about this post, again it's a similarly lazy way to forgive yourself the burden of trying to stay aware of these things and making little changes to how you vote with your wallet. You can absolutely do something like go shop at Costco this week instead of target - as one performatively eliminated diversity programs at their company while one preserved them as a stand. That's where your opinion falls apart because yes, you can likely find something to hate Costco as well (because they are all garbage companies, but there are shades, they aren't all equal. You have to participate to function, but you can do the slightest amount of work to shop more consciously. But that is the work you are trying to forgive yourself of.
The point isn't perfection, but to do enough for this week and try again next week. Before you know it, you're shopping more consciously wherever you go.
Separate the Art from the Artist is accepted by SANE people, who don't have time to milk tirades so that they can play victim on the internet so that strangers think they are virtuous.
There is not a thing you do, have, own, buy, or operate that isn't part of slavery, human exploitation, etc in some way or another. You only do this because you want to virtue signal to others that you think "good thoughts" and so you can be praised for being brave.
You're not brave. You don't make a difference. And nobody cares.
If you eat any kind of meat, your an evil "carnist". If you don't adopt pets from the shelter, then you're contributing to pet farming. If you don't drink from a paper straw then you're killing turtles.
Everyone everywhere has some problem with someone's something. You literally cannot avoid it all. Own a smartphone? Then you're evil and deserve to die because you're carrying an item that was made by slavery! Let me guess...you're not gonna give up the smartphone...are you? Yeah - I didn't think you would.
You operate under the false premise that people think this is about binary choice, it's not. The shades of gray matter here. Again, as I stated, perfection isn't the goal, it is how much of an effort you make to consciously navigate the bullshit we are forced to live within, while also hopefully working to fix the larger broken systems somehow in your lifetime. Progress, not perfection.
You very baldly read as extremely selfish and again, you performatively forgive yourself in public forums so you don't have to try. You sound like a professional victim. Start listening to those rogue thoughts at night when you're staring at the ceiling, the ones that tell you you might be completely full of shit, they are on to something...
Nonsense. Most people who boycott products aren't posting about it on the internet.
And I don't know why you assume that opposing one company means you have to oppose others. People are allowed to oppose PayPal but not give a crap about eating meat.