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The cost of aluminum for consumers in Europe buying on the physical market has dropped due to expectations that Canadian shipments under U.S. tariffs from Tuesday will be diverted, physical market traders said.

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The U.S. is a major importer of aluminum used widely in the transport, packaging and construction industries, shipping in 5.46 million metric tons of aluminum products in 2023, according the U.S. Commerce Department.

According to the Commerce Department, Canada accounted for 3.08 million tons or 56 per centof aluminum product imports to the United States for domestic consumption in 2023, the latest full year data available.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We aren't trading with others because we had a stable trading partner beside us

It's more than that, it's exceedingly more easy to trade with a neighbor than across the Atlantic or Pacific oceans.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We aren’t trading with others because we had a stable trading partner beside us, and other markets would love to have those resources. That partner being unstable now forcing us to diversify our trade is a net positive long term because being that reliant on another country is not sustainable.

Respond to the whole point instead of taking an individual part of a whole sentence out of context in an attempt to sound intelligent.

It’s more than that, it’s exceedingly more easy to trade with a neighbor than across the Atlantic or Pacific oceans.

It is 2025, and we have the technology to move goods easily across oceans to better markets.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its 2025, and trains are still the cheapest and most efficient way of moving material. Now if canada builds a trans artic rail to europe...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In 2022 rail freight accounted for $209.2 Billion in goods from and to Canada and Mexico, Truck freight accounted for $996.4 billion.

https://www.bts.gov/newsroom/transborder-freight-annual-report-2023

If trains are the cheapest and most efficient way to move materials, what is causing the use of trucks instead of trains for North American trade?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because the US public invested in a massive road network and let the rail network deteriorate?...

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its 2025, and trains are still the cheapest and most efficient way of moving material. Now if canada builds a trans artic rail to europe…

Because the US public invested in a massive road network and let the rail network deteriorate?..

Thank you for proving my point in an attempt to argue against it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All you prove is US purposely do things less efficient but ok.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All you prove is US purposely do things less efficient but ok.

I gave you information and a source, while you give willful ignorance. Believe what you want and go troll elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's more expensive to ship across the oceans and requires a whole set of other infrastructure.

It's exceedingly more easy to ship across land borders and to try and say my point isn't valid like this is laughable.

Europe would rather get the material from continental Europe if they can, just like we'd rather ship within NA if we can.

Just because we can, doesn't mean we have to do so at greater expense and time. It's very normal for companies to stay within their continental area before deciding to expand to shipping overseas.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

It’s more expensive to ship across the oceans and requires a whole set of other infrastructure.

It only needs two ports and two docks. One of each at each end of the shipping route.

It’s exceedingly more easy to ship across land borders and to try and say my point isn’t valid like this is laughable.

Do you really think building and maintaining thousands of miles of roads and rails is cheaper than a few ports?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago

It’s more expensive to ship across the oceans and requires a whole set of other infrastructure.

We already have the infrastructure to ship to these markets, or we wouldn't already have established trade deals with them.

It’s exceedingly more easy to ship across land borders and to try and say my point isn’t valid like this is laughable.

No shit Sherlock, did you get your MBA in Economics from DUH University?

Your point isn't valid because we have the modern technology to easily ship across oceans, and nothing is stopping us from improving the ways we do that to make them more cost effective.

Your entire argument is "Its cheaper and easier" while ignoring the very real problems being dependent on the US for trade brings.

Europe would rather get the material from continental Europe if they can, just like we’d rather ship within NA if we can.

Every country would prefer this. Another "No shit Sherlock" point from an absolute genius graduate of DUH University.

Just because we can, doesn’t mean we have to do so at greater expense and time. It’s very normal for companies to stay within their continental area before deciding to expand to shipping overseas.

If your point is that we need to remain tethered to the US for our own good you should work for Trumps PR team instead of arguing in support of what he wants for free.