Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
Rules
Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people
Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
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Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people's efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed.
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- No low effort comments
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Do not call other submitters' personal experiences into question.
No bigotry
Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated.
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Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues.
Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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You dont know what feminism is nor what it says about men and capitalism (a lot. Like a fuck ton. Like the entirety of feminist thought is based on male and female liberation and how capitalism enforces patriarchy)
But you havent read any feminist theory. You have a vague idea of what feminism is that you have taken in via osmosis and cultural rhetoric. I can tell you for certain that you do not know what feminism means.
That makes talking about it kinda hard. Not only am I having to explain a complex ideology to you and what it has to say about other complex ideologies but I am having to work through your false consciousness created by those oppressive ideologies. That creates a difference in language that makes talking directly about these topics hard because you think you know what the words I'm saying mean. You have a concept of them in your head. But you are wrong. It's really hard to get past that.
Have you? Because if you have I bet you'll actually have some recommendations for me.
PS: Does Max Horkheimer's "Traditional and Critical Theory" count? Pretty boring book that I stopped reading 80% in.
PPS:
Bro, Intersectional Feminism isn't that hard to understand. It's not that complex. I'm not the one* using Jargon as regular vernacular and then get butthurt when people say that "Reverse Racism isn't real, it's just Racism", because I would be talking about "Racism" as if it means "Systemic Racism", when outside the context of intersectional feminism it just means "Inter-personal Racism", but I would not be able to accept that and start calling randos on the internet "racist".
Again, Intersectional Feminism is not that hard.
*mind you, you're not doing that, but I've seen plenty of online situations where self-proclaimed Feminists use Feminism Jargon while talking to regular Joes - it's just a dumb strategy, and I don't understand what their goal is.
I do not argue with people who come into a conversation in bad faith. There is nothing to be gained, and only time and mental health to be lost.
Basically, I don't want to talk to you.