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When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

I use Proton mail, any recommendations for alternatives?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 minutes ago

I like disroot, but you have to do the encryption yourself. I use Thunderbird

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago

I'll add another rec for posteo.de, I've used it for about a year and been very happy with it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 15 hours ago

If encryption is a must, then use Tuta. German company, privacy focused, open source all around, no surveillance, free tier with encryption available, encrypted calendars, accessible paid subscriptions with actually useful services.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Posteo

Keep a proton for situations where you can actually use the encryption. Most of the time the encryption is as useless as a VPN.

Also keep in mind all it is is pgp with a directory lookup. I think proton made their pgp directory lookup more open in the last few years, so it may not have any real benefits.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Can you elaborate on the uselessness of a VPN?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 46 minutes ago

Almost every site is https, so it's already encrypted. DNS lookups are encrypted. So what a VPN does is prevents your isp from knowing you visited a specific website. There was already no way for them to know what you got from that website, the only additional security was knowing you visited.

If this is a concern, a VPN isn't useless, but for most that isn't a concern.

VPNs are also good for torrents and bypassing rate limiting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

This is common debate and there's plenty of angles to it. VPN companies are definitely guilty of fear mongering in their advertising and trying to market them as an easy way to achieve privacy or anonymity, which is false. Tom Scott's video covers this well. This overview is also pretty good at explaining what it is and isn't. If you don't trust your ISP or are using public/free wifi, VPNs can be useful. VPNs aren't inherently trustworthy either, though, especially free ones that might be harvesting your data. Even a well-intentioned VPN that doesn't retain logs can rent servers that government entities can (theoretically) bug to get your data (if they really wanted to).

[–] [email protected] -1 points 16 hours ago

PGP or other PKI.

Don't trust people you've never met to give a shit about you