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How often do you take road trips? The vast majority of trips taken by car are within 20–30 km. An average EV range can easily cover most people’s daily driving needs.
Of course. If you have averagely 20-30 km trips and charge the vehicle overnight, EVs are good. However, when you travel more kilometers and need to charge more than 0 times on the way to your destination, you waste many hours.
Have you actually road tripped an EV? You don’t waste “many hours” you spend like 15 minutes every 200 miles charging while you piss and walk your dog.
I more than once have done 600+ miles in a day in the lowest-range Tesla available. It’s just fine.
yes, you spend ideally 15 minutes, realistically more. With a gasoline car, I spend around 5
In addition, my car is capable of around 600-660 km which is more than most EVs
Here's the duration of my last 5 fast charging stops, pulled from an app that logs everything my car does:
8 minutes 12 minutes 13 minutes 5 minutes 14 minutes
"realistically" i'm having sub-15 minute charge sessions almost every time. Not to mention this goes back a couple months, since I charge at home every night.
If you drive 600km without stopping to piss, maybe a gas car is for you, but I'm not that miserable.
That’s 52 minutes. With a gasoline car you can have a 5 minute stop.
I don’t drive for 600 km without a break but I also don't need to spend hours at petrol stations. I don't know where you live but in my country and for my use case, an electric car is only viable if I also have one gasoline car.
It would mean a huge compromise for my needs. Getting an electric car is similar to getting a Unimog if you spend your time mostly at highways.
Not sure if you are making stuff up for the sake of it. But how you describe EV is nothing like the real world. Believe it how you want, but I will keep repeating (as an actual experience) that EV is a non-issue in this day and age.
On longer trips (1.000km and more) it will take approx 10% more time. Which is a no brainer.
Well, for me the difference between 10 and 11 hours would mean quite a drastic change. You are free to use an electric car if you like it but unless they cannot be charged just fast as gasoline cars can be filled, I won't get one. Also, not every part of the world has enough tesla superchargers and not everyone can afford to get a car for the price of tesla. Most absurd is that tesla model X can cost literally more than Land Cruiser
Yeah ok, but now you are moving the goalposts on the fly. As long ad we are not making stuff up on invalid assumptions that’s fine. I’m not saying everybody needs to buy an EV. Just if people are using the argument that it is not user friendly to not get one, that’s false.
I can’t afford a ferrari either, doesn’t mean it’s a bad car.
Ps. As mentioned 6 times or so already, i am talking about the EU (said so from the start)
It's also five different trips? Where I stopped for less than 15 minutes each trip?
I don't know how to get you to understand that basically no one is spending hours at charging stations. I live in the midwestern US (a notably poor part of the country for EV infrastructure) and my only vehicle is an EV.
Yes, feel free to come to eastern europe where we have 3 reasonable chargers in the whole country 😀
You don’t spend 5. You spend at least 10 minutes, where charging takes 15-20.
If you have 110L tank, yes it takes 10 minutes. If you charge your car in 15-20 minutes, then good for you. In my area, there is one such a charger and unless you plan to charge your car at 3:00 AM, you will not find less than 5 cars in front of it.
Regular chargers we have here will take at least hour to charge your vehicle
Ok, but there are always exceptions. You can’t use those as an argument. There are also some regions where it takes hours to stand in line for gas. Doesn’t mean that is the average and that I should go around teling people it is.
EV charging in EU (!) is on average (!!) almost identical to gas cars currently especially the newer models with 300KWh charging capabilities. I think it will take you less time to charge those than gas even.
For how long have we been building gas stations compared to chargers?
Of course charging will become faster over time and maybe even overtake the gasoline cars. What will do this to batteries though? Despite development, super fast charging still kills the battery more than slow charging and the loss of performance would be felt during winter.
But yes, once electric cars have the same range and can be charged as fast as gasoline cars can be fille, the main drawback will be away. That does not mean I will buy one, maybe just for a city and if I have enough money not to care that much about 20k.
Respect your personal choice. As long as it’s not discussed as “EV is only good for city trips”. I understand your personal situation and preference, but the facts are that that is an outdated view for many situations.
I mean today it’s still only for city purposes 🤷 Maybe in the future when the situation improves, it will be usable on sth else, as well.
Still I don't understand why the resources aren't rather put to development of synthetic fuels.
I’ll just bluntly keep repeating myself just like you are repeating yourself (even after being presented with experiences talking about the opposite) -> EV is not for city purposes only.
I will end it here as I refuse to repeating the same relevant points over and over again.
EVs, at least where I live, cannot be taken for longer trips.
Me (and others) are trying to explain to you that your personal “experience” is not grounds to make statements like you are making (e.g. EVs are only for small trips). The fact that you choose to ignore all that and focus only on your own (limited) experience is not my fault.
Limiting it to “in my area” it would be absolutely fine and right, but you are incorrectly telling people like it is not ready for prime time yet everywhere, when it clearly is.
So if you let that go, there would be no need to keep repeating yourself ;) but you keep opening a can of worms if each reply contains a blanket statement.
I’ll let it go, sorry for hammering on about it.
Guys, it’s fine that you like them, feel free to use them.
On the other hand, you cannot argue against the facts that these cars explode from time to time, the infrastructure for them is nowhere near as good as for regular cars and that charging and range are worse. So no, they are far from ready.
To me it seems like electric cars are meant to be a replacement for gasoline cars, yet they are worse almost at everything (today). They are basically a solution to a non-existent problem.
Some argue they are more ecological, yet this is debatable. I don't know but explosions don't seem too ecological to me and the fact you can throw out a huge battery cell approximately every 8 years does not seem ecological either. Especially when we add the cost of the battery replacement, it does not make sense to replace it. Economically, it’s a better decision to just buy a new car, which again creates additional waste... EDIT: If you need to push an alternative fuel through, I see more potential in hydrogen. The infrastructure is even worse though :/
Omg dude, this is just getting silly. Good luck m8.