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Come on, mate. Hong Kong's freedom index score is 42, USA is 83, Australia is 95 (source). At least try and avoid making things up if you want to seem like you're having a good faith discussion.
Does that mean USA and Australia don't have problems? Of course they have problems, big ones even, you mentioned some genuine problems here in your comment. That's not the issue at hand though. Nobody is claiming these countries are problem free. It's you who is claiming certain news outlets are untrustworthy propaganda pieces. You made a claim, got a reasonable response and now it seems you are gish galloping.
It's starting to feel like you have an agenda though to be honest. I personally find your assertion that people who love BBC/CNN are incapable of criticising them quite unhealthy. We can and should be critical of things especially things we are fans of.
> you are gish galloping.
I can see why its futile to talk to westerners. I will talk to someone and then someone like you will come and shit all over like a crow and fly away. Brandolini's Law takes effect and people like us are forced to spend 10x the effort to correct misinformation.
Hong Kong used to be at #3 while USA was at #17. How come the very day Hong Kong gets freed of UK colonialism after more than 90 years, and implements National Security Law to protect itself, its "freedom" drops down? Is being a vassal state or colony of UK/USA the marker of freedom in these indexes? If so, the index seems to be a marker of how much of a western bootlicker a country really is, making "freedom" just a brand name with no worth.
It is a well established fact that Hong Kong "protest" was a CIA manufactured riot. Even Ted Cruz went to cheer rioters. What if a major Chinese politician went to USA to cheer Jan 6 insurrection? All of you would screech blackboards over it.
I think this would be useful for you to reflect on.
Also Wikipedia has a great article on Gish galloping if you're in a country where you can access that.
I doubt you can be saved. West needs to fall and doom beyond recovery and be unable to exploit rest of non-Anglo world, so that morons like you are forced to act in line.
I think it is better for me to not engage with a dishonest manipulative white saviour. And I can read anything I want from India, and could use VPNs in China, Russia, and all the places western circus clowns call bad.
Fair enough, I agree a lot of the western countries do messed up shit and should definitely be held to account. I just don't have such a rosy eyed view of the dictatorships of the world either (glad you were able to circumvent the censorship laws while you were there btw although not sure why you would want to do that? Do you disagree with the states views?). I'd also suggest trying to stay away from the saviour retoric though, it's never healthy no matter who is using it and in this case it just comes across as a bit of a bad joke if I'm honest, particularly as I don't even live in a western country.
Anyway, India is a really beautiful place, wish you and your folks all the best.
Damn bro, you handled that like a boss.
I hate your kind of Western people even more, with this sugarcoating tactic meant to defuse the very animosity that is born of your "holier than thou" attitude of "we know whats best for you". Stop being so fucking arrogant, Anglo-Saxons. We hate it. And its best to stop acting like you folks know what is best for rest of the world.
Your comments reek of this "we know whats best, stfu" attitude. Get a reality check, because you people live in lalaland off of centuries of our exploitation. Western countries are not democracies and China/Russia are not dictatorships. This black and white nonsense created by West needs to stop.
Go wish yourselves the best instead, because Western countries will need a lot of luck in trying to work themselves up after the non-West hegemony is fully functional, and burned bridges rebuilt with the impossibility of further exploitation.
Well, I guess we can't all be as humble and level headed as you.
If there was a shred of altruism and morality, a yearning for communism and a hatred for oppression and holier than thou arrogance, there would lie a chance for humility and working towards the greater good rather than individualist imperialism with an impulse to capitalise and leech everything possible.